So C02 is dangerous to humans. According to EPA

[MrSheepish]

But in the 1970,s Algore and all the other MONEY GREEDY CLOWNS were preaching "THE EARTH IS FREEZING"!! We all will be buried in an ICE AGE by 1986!!!

Whatever Al Gore or anyone else may have said, mainstream science/scientists never made any such claims, despite how many skeptics try to rewrite history.

 

[chestnut]

Whatever Al Gore or anyone else may have said, mainstream science/scientists never made any such claims, despite how many skeptics try to rewrite history.

No. No global cooling hysteria in the 70's. None! LOL

 

[always]

No. No global cooling hysteria in the 70's. None! LOL

THESE LIBS cannot FOOL me with THEIR LIES, I was there in the 70's!!! I heard their LIES!! Both then and NOW!

 

[Dr.Who]

Whatever Al Gore or anyone else may have said, mainstream science/scientists never made any such claims, despite how many skeptics try to rewrite history.

Here is a scientist who is claiming that right now!:

"Canadian Scientists Fear Global Cooling
By Nathan Burchfiel | February 8, 2008 - 16:33 ET

Investor's Business Daily is reporting something we haven't seen much
of in the media since the 1970s: concerns about global cooling. You
read that correctly: cooling.

Kenneth Tapping, a researcher at Canada's National Research Council,
wants to look for evidence of increased sunspot activity, according to
IBD. "The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of
what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple
of centuries and can last as long as a century."

A "solar hibernation" in the 17th Century "corresponded with a period
of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent
spikes of warming, until 1715," IBD reported. "Frigid winters and cold
summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and
death in Northern Europe."

Tapping's concerns fly in the face of the current media drumbeat about
global warming, which would have Americans believe the Earth is on
course for catastrophic climate changes unless the federal government
(i.e. taxpayers) steps in to save the day.

The media have warned of impending climate changes for at least the
last century. Most recently, global warming has been the, er, hot
topic. But in the 1970s it was global cooling.

Could Tapping's concerns be the turning point in the media's
environmentalist crusade? It's more likely the media will simply
ignore - or maybe even viciously attack him - as a global warming
"denier" or equally loaded buzz word commonly used to attack or
discredit scientists and others who don't buy into the global warming
catastrophe hype."

 

[Dr.Who]

Whatever Al Gore or anyone else may have said, mainstream science/scientists never made any such claims, despite how many skeptics try to rewrite history.

Mainstream scientists have always been split:

"In the 1970s there was increasing awareness that estimates of global temperatures showed cooling since 1945. Of those scientific papers considering climate trends over the 21st century, only 10% inclined towards future cooling,while most papers predicted future warming.[2] "


So actually in the 70's ten percent of scientific papers predicted global cooling.

 

[PLC1]

Mainstream scientists have always been split:

"In the 1970s there was increasing awareness that estimates of global temperatures showed cooling since 1945. Of those scientific papers considering climate trends over the 21st century, only 10% inclined towards future cooling,while most papers predicted future warming.[2] "


So actually in the 70's ten percent of scientific papers predicted global cooling.

And now, 39 years later and with more facts and observations to rely on, only a few politically motivated people are claiming that there is a cooling trend.

 

[Dr.Who]

And now, 39 years later and with more facts and observations to rely on, only a few politically motivated people are claiming that there is a cooling trend.

The point is still true that the other poster was incorrect when he stated that no scientist ever said there was cooling.

As for the present situation: both sides are politically motivated and since 1998 there has not been any warming. Some actual scientists actually think that sun activity is decreasing and we are due for cooling now.

I agree that we cannot predict a cooling trend now. Of course we equally cannot predict a warming trend. We just don't have the ability to predict trends in climate. That is of course why it is a scandal that a global warming scientists in a stolen email said:
"Hi all Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? [] The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. " The whole email is linked here:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=1048&filename=1255352257.txt

Surely you are not going to say that the author of that email - Kevin Trenberth is politically motivated to discredit global warming.

Here is a quote from a scientists outside of the politically charged US atmospere:

"# Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute: "The blind adherence to the harebrained idea that climate models can generate 'realistic' simulations of climate is the principal reason why I remain a climate skeptic. From my background in turbulence I look forward with grim anticipation to the day that climate models will run with a horizontal resolution of less than a kilometer. The horrible predictability problems of turbulent flows then will descend on climate science with a vengeance."[14]"

Here is another one from outside the US:

"# Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view".[15] He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it"[16]"

And another:

"# Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity...Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated...Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."[17][18][19]"

And another:

"# Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: "That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[22]"

The list goes on...

 

[Dr.Who]

And now, 39 years later and with more facts and observations to rely on, only a few politically motivated people are claiming that there is a cooling trend.

The point is still true that the other poster was incorrect when he stated that no scientist ever said there was cooling.

As for the present situation: both sides are politically motivated and since 1998 there has not been any warming. Some actual scientists actually think that sun activity is decreasing and we are due for cooling now.

I agree that we cannot predict a cooling trend now. Of course we equally cannot predict a warming trend. We just don't have the ability to predict trends in climate. That is of course why it is a scandal that a global warming scientists in a stolen email said:
"Hi all Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? [] The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. " The whole email is linked here:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=1048&filename=1255352257.txt

Surely you are not going to say that the author of that email - Kevin Trenberth is politically motivated to discredit global warming.

Here is a quote from a scientists outside of the politically charged US atmospere:

"# Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute: "The blind adherence to the harebrained idea that climate models can generate 'realistic' simulations of climate is the principal reason why I remain a climate skeptic. From my background in turbulence I look forward with grim anticipation to the day that climate models will run with a horizontal resolution of less than a kilometer. The horrible predictability problems of turbulent flows then will descend on climate science with a vengeance."[14]"

Here is another one from outside the US:

"# Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists : "models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view".[15] He has also said, "It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it"[16]"

And another:

"# Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences: "Global warming results not from the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but from an unusually high level of solar radiation and a lengthy – almost throughout the last century – growth in its intensity...Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated...Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."[17][18][19]"

And another:

"# Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa: "That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation – which has a cooling effect. ... We know that [the sun] was responsible for climate change in the past, and so is clearly going to play the lead role in present and future climate change. And interestingly... solar activity has recently begun a downward cycle."[22]"

The list goes on...
Surely you agree that we could each bring out our quotes from one scientist after another one supporting global warming and the other opposing crucial steps in the logic needed for it to be true. This does not prove that one side is right or wrong. But it does show pretty clearly that the science is NOT SETTLED.

 

[LooseChange]

When we exhale, we breathe out C02.

So is the govt going to regulate my breathing. Some are going to say I'm grabbing.. but with all the idiots working for Obama's administratin I'm not counting anything out at this point.

This is absurd! The sooner the Obama Administration is gone the better.

So is flatulence but who cares....Global warming started a long time ago right around the turn of the century when the industrialization was at its peak. We're too late and its getting cold outside....brrrrrrrrr

 

[Dr.Who]

So is flatulence but who cares....Global warming started a long time ago right around the turn of the century when the industrialization was at its peak. We're too late and its getting cold outside....brrrrrrrrr

"Global warming started long before the "Industrial Revolution" and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age-- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice."

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

 

[Gipper]

And now dogs are big polluters...

PARIS (AFP) – Man's best friend could be one of the environment's worst enemies, according to a new study which says the carbon pawprint of a pet dog is more than double that of a gas-guzzling sports utility vehicle.

But the revelation in the book "Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living" by New Zealanders Robert and Brenda Vale has angered pet owners who feel they are being singled out as troublemakers.

The Vales, specialists in sustainable living at Victoria University of Wellington, analysed popular brands of pet food and calculated that a medium-sized dog eats around 164 kilos (360 pounds) of meat and 95 kilos of cereal a year.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood

 

[MrSheepish]

Sorry for the delayed response. Been away for a while.

The point is still true that the other poster was incorrect when he stated that no scientist ever said there was cooling.

What I said was this:
"Whatever Al Gore or anyone else may have said, mainstream science/scientists never made any such claims, despite how many skeptics try to rewrite history."

I will stand by that claim. Maybe there were a few crazies out there, but by-and-large it was the press that was sensationalizing things. At the time there wasn't enough information to know which effects were the most powerful: pollution in the atmosphere reflecting sunlight to make things cooler, greenhouse gases producing warming, or natural variations. So scientists speculated and studied different possibilities including the possibility that we might be headed for an ice age. But mainstream science had no consensus. Today they understand things much better and they do have a consensus: that humans are causing the earth to warm.

As for the present situation: both sides are politically motivated and since 1998 there has not been any warming. Some actual scientists actually think that sun activity is decreasing and we are due for cooling now.

I agree that is a possibility.

I agree that we cannot predict a cooling trend now. Of course we equally cannot predict a warming trend. We just don't have the ability to predict trends in climate. That is of course why it is a scandal that a global warming scientists in a stolen email said:
"Hi all Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? [] The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. " The whole email is linked here:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=1048&filename=1255352257.txt

Surely you are not going to say that the author of that email - Kevin Trenberth is politically motivated to discredit global warming.

No, he is a scientist who is constantly harping on his fellows to understand what causes natural variabilities: the "noise" in the year-to-year temperature measurements. He is in no way expressing skepticism about long term warming trends. You can read more of what he has to say here: http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2009/12/cru-emails-whats-really-there/

I can try to comment on your other quotes made by specialists in non-climate related fields later after I make sure I don't miss my flight.