Should we ban the indoctrination and brainwashing of children by religions? Is it child abuse?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Should we ban the indoctrination and brainwashing of children by religions? Is it child abuse?


Islam begins their indoctrination and brainwashing of their children by early memorizing of the Qur’an, even before their children know the meaning of what they are reading. Recently, in the U.K., some Muslim schools have been closed for preaching anti-Semitism.


Christianity also indoctrinates and brainwashes their children from a young age into their belief systems.

I see all of this indoctrination and proselytizing to children as going against the free will choice of children, when they are older, to choose religion or not, as well as their choice of a religion for it’s moral and ethical views as compared to their indoctrinated and possibly brainwashed choice based on what the father and mother believe in.


Be they political or religious views, parents do have some right to try to have their children follow in their footsteps. I do wonder though if indoctrination and or brainwashing of our children should be allowed to the degree that we allow it.


This thread was born of my viewing the first link and listening to a woman complain about non-Muslims praying in a mosque. Perhaps a valid point since that action was not stated in the agenda. I admit to not knowing if she was Christian or not but her, --- oh my God, --- exclamation made me wonder what Christians thought of this issue of indoctrination and or brainwashing of children since they do it to their own.


Some apologists, like Christopher Hitchens, have termed such teachings as abuse of children.


Which religion, Islam or Christianity, is hurting their children the most?

And.

Should we ban the indoctrination and brainwashing of all children by religions?


Regards

DL

 

[cashmcall]

Should we ban the indoctrination and brainwashing of children by religions? Is it child abuse?


Islam begins their indoctrination and brainwashing of their children by early memorizing of the Qur’an, even before their children know the meaning of what they are reading. Recently, in the U.K., some Muslim schools have been closed for preaching anti-Semitism.


Christianity also indoctrinates and brainwashes their children from a young age into their belief systems.

I see all of this indoctrination and proselytizing to children as going against the free will choice of children, when they are older, to choose religion or not, as well as their choice of a religion for it’s moral and ethical views as compared to their indoctrinated and possibly brainwashed choice based on what the father and mother believe in.


Be they political or religious views, parents do have some right to try to have their children follow in their footsteps. I do wonder though if indoctrination and or brainwashing of our children should be allowed to the degree that we allow it.


This thread was born of my viewing the first link and listening to a woman complain about non-Muslims praying in a mosque. Perhaps a valid point since that action was not stated in the agenda. I admit to not knowing if she was Christian or not but her, --- oh my God, --- exclamation made me wonder what Christians thought of this issue of indoctrination and or brainwashing of children since they do it to their own.


Some apologists, like Christopher Hitchens, have termed such teachings as abuse of children.


Which religion, Islam or Christianity, is hurting their children the most?

And.

Should we ban the indoctrination and brainwashing of all children by religions?


Regards

DL

My Kids were raised in a Christian Home VERY UN- LIKE your videos.. Tell you what. How ’bout I blindfold you, drive you out into the middle of the woods at night, and then leave you there without a map or a GPS? It’ll be great. You can just travel FREELY. After all, who am I to bring you to this place and then presume to tell you how to navigate it? I’m just the guy that kidnapped you and dumped you into a hostile, cold wilderness. It would be authoritative of me to offer you direction and guidance. So I’ll let you wander around aimlessly until you collapse exhausted in a ditch, and are eaten slowly by wild scavengers. You’re welcome. I assume you’ll be grateful; I’ll merely be applying your parenting technique to the situation.

By the way, did you ever tell your kid not to play in the street? Did you instruct him about the dangers of hot stoves and fallen electrical wires? See, if you imposed your anti-high voltage power line views on your kid, then apparently you’re guilty of abuse by your standards. However, if you didn’t, you’re guilty of reprehensible neglect by the standards of civilized human beings. I’m not an expert on parenting. I never claimed to be. But you don’t need to be an expert to know that one of the fundamental tasks of a parent — and this really speaks to the whole point of the endeavor — is to teach your child how to maneuver through the physical, moral, spiritual and intellectual dangers of life. This includes teaching them how to think, which could also be referred to as passing on your values and your worldview. If you have no interest in doing this, then I would suggest that you never really wanted a child, you wanted a friend.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

My Kids were raised in a Christian Home VERY UN- LIKE your videos.. Tell you what. How ’bout I blindfold you, drive you out into the middle of the woods at night, and then leave you there without a map or a GPS? It’ll be great. You can just travel FREELY. After all, who am I to bring you to this place and then presume to tell you how to navigate it? I’m just the guy that kidnapped you and dumped you into a hostile, cold wilderness. It would be authoritative of me to offer you direction and guidance. So I’ll let you wander around aimlessly until you collapse exhausted in a ditch, and are eaten slowly by wild scavengers. You’re welcome. I assume you’ll be grateful; I’ll merely be applying your parenting technique to the situation.

By the way, did you ever tell your kid not to play in the street? Did you instruct him about the dangers of hot stoves and fallen electrical wires? See, if you imposed your anti-high voltage power line views on your kid, then apparently you’re guilty of abuse by your standards. However, if you didn’t, you’re guilty of reprehensible neglect by the standards of civilized human beings. I’m not an expert on parenting. I never claimed to be. But you don’t need to be an expert to know that one of the fundamental tasks of a parent — and this really speaks to the whole point of the endeavor — is to teach your child how to maneuver through the physical, moral, spiritual and intellectual dangers of life. This includes teaching them how to think, which could also be referred to as passing on your values and your worldview. If you have no interest in doing this, then I would suggest that you never really wanted a child, you wanted a friend.

Sure but to how much stupidity would you pass down to your child?

Those limits are what we should discuss and not the rights of stupid people who believe in all kinds of supernatural garbage to give their children that same garbage.

Children should all know that priests and imams lie constantly.

Regards
DL

 

[Maelalove]

I'm going to start my post with saying that I, personally, am agnostic.
I couldn't give two shits if there is a god. I think it's possible. I don't personally believe their actually is, but I'm not going to waste my time on something I'm never going to be able to prove.
Now to about this post. I personally do NOT think it should be banned. Yes, this is ridiculous, and it can be considered brainwashing, if done at this level, but who are you to decide what someone believes? I was raised in a very Catholic household, told that I was to be Catholic until I was 18 when I claimed I wasn't, and yet still had my own opinion on it. It's not always brainwashing, more of a guideline, at least in most houses. The children themselves will grow up and learn to think for themselves.
As for the first response on this thread, claiming kidnapping and abandoning someone on the side of the road is the same thing - that was the most immature response you could have had to the situation. It's one thing to believe differently, it's another to say his way of thinking is stupid, even if you truly think so. Personally, I don't think religion guides a child through anything by forcing it on them. I think it's better to let them discover what THEY believe. But, I'm not going to sit here and insult you because you see religion in a different light than I do.
Brainwashing is not permanent. This is coming from someone who knows another form of brainwashing, and broke it themselves. It's not permanent if it's realized. And everyone has the ability to think for themselves.

 

[Aus22]

All Children are brainwash by their parents. Otherwise they would not survive the first years of life. For example not touching hot surface
If you do not teach a religion you are simply saying that answers to the question of Why we are here are not important. Children take their religion attitude from their parents and companions.
There is nothing wrong in visiting a Mosque or Church If you decide to participate in a service that is your right

 

[cashmcall]

I'm going to start my post with saying that I, personally, am agnostic.
I couldn't give two shits if there is a god. I think it's possible. I don't personally believe their actually is, but I'm not going to waste my time on something I'm never going to be able to prove.
Now to about this post. I personally do NOT think it should be banned. Yes, this is ridiculous, and it can be considered brainwashing, if done at this level, but who are you to decide what someone believes? I was raised in a very Catholic household, told that I was to be Catholic until I was 18 when I claimed I wasn't, and yet still had my own opinion on it. It's not always brainwashing, more of a guideline, at least in most houses. The children themselves will grow up and learn to think for themselves.
As for the first response on this thread, claiming kidnapping and abandoning someone on the side of the road is the same thing - that was the most immature response you could have had to the situation. It's one thing to believe differently, it's another to say his way of thinking is stupid, even if you truly think so. Personally, I don't think religion guides a child through anything by forcing it on them. I think it's better to let them discover what THEY believe. But, I'm not going to sit here and insult you because you see religion in a different light than I do.
Brainwashing is not permanent. This is coming from someone who knows another form of brainwashing, and broke it themselves. It's not permanent if it's realized. And everyone has the ability to think for themselves.

After all, who am I to bring you to this place and then presume to tell you how to navigate it?

 

[nytegeek]

I think people need to examine their definition of brainwashing and at any rate what the OP proposes is ridiculous because it isn't something that can be legislated in any nation that has laws on the books requiring separation of church and state or laws respecting freedom of choice in religion.

 

[Maelalove]

I think people need to examine their definition of brainwashing and at any rate what the OP proposes is ridiculous because it isn't something that can be legislated in any nation that has laws on the books requiring separation of church and state or laws respecting freedom of choice in religion.

While I still agree with you, I don't think it should be seen in the light that it should be choice of religion per se. I feel like it shouldn't have that title with it. I think it should be that anyone is free to think the way they like to, whether or not that includes religions. Our government shouldn't have anything to do with religion whatsoever, except for seeing it as the choice to believe or not and that should be only guided by the person's own choice.

 

[Aus22]

I think there is a difference between adults and young Children. Some are too young to make a choice but when they grow up the will.

 

[nytegeek]

While I still agree with you, I don't think it should be seen in the light that it should be choice of religion per se. I feel like it shouldn't have that title with it. I think it should be that anyone is free to think the way they like to, whether or not that includes religions. Our government shouldn't have anything to do with religion whatsoever, except for seeing it as the choice to believe or not and that should be only guided by the person's own choice.

Absolutely. Freedom of choice is key here and all these clowns that want to discriminate against people for their religious choice are just fear mongering.

 

[Maelalove]

Absolutely. Freedom of choice is key here and all these clowns that want to discriminate against people for their religious choice are just fear mongering.

I agree, it's just as bad saying it should be banned, as it is to say NOT believing in god or having some sort of religion should be banned. Double edged sword, and quite frankly highly hypocritical.

 

[Maelalove]

I think there is a difference between adults and young Children. Some are too young to make a choice but when they grow up the will.

My point exactly. Children can be taught one way, but have the free will when they get older to choose what they believe personally, even just explore if they would like to.

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I'm going to start my post with saying that I, personally, am agnostic.
I couldn't give two shits if there is a god. I think it's possible. I don't personally believe their actually is, but I'm not going to waste my time on something I'm never going to be able to prove.
Now to about this post. I personally do NOT think it should be banned. Yes, this is ridiculous, and it can be considered brainwashing, if done at this level, but who are you to decide what someone believes? I was raised in a very Catholic household, told that I was to be Catholic until I was 18 when I claimed I wasn't, and yet still had my own opinion on it. It's not always brainwashing, more of a guideline, at least in most houses. The children themselves will grow up and learn to think for themselves.
As for the first response on this thread, claiming kidnapping and abandoning someone on the side of the road is the same thing - that was the most immature response you could have had to the situation. It's one thing to believe differently, it's another to say his way of thinking is stupid, even if you truly think so. Personally, I don't think religion guides a child through anything by forcing it on them. I think it's better to let them discover what THEY believe. But, I'm not going to sit here and insult you because you see religion in a different light than I do.
Brainwashing is not permanent. This is coming from someone who knows another form of brainwashing, and broke it themselves. It's not permanent if it's realized. And everyone has the ability to think for themselves.

"The children themselves will grow up and learn to think for themselves."

Check the stats and note that about 70% of Americans believe in hell.

Seems that Christians never think for themselves once the indoctrination takes hold.

You may not believe in God but you do not seem to have developed your social conscience to the degree that you might want.

We are all in this together and to allow so many children to be abused is not exercising good social conscience.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

All Children are brainwash by their parents. Otherwise they would not survive the first years of life. For example not touching hot surface
If you do not teach a religion you are simply saying that answers to the question of Why we are here are not important. Children take their religion attitude from their parents and companions.
There is nothing wrong in visiting a Mosque or Church If you decide to participate in a service that is your right

I agree with your last.

Child safety is only considered to be brainwashing by fools.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

I think people need to examine their definition of brainwashing and at any rate what the OP proposes is ridiculous because it isn't something that can be legislated in any nation that has laws on the books requiring separation of church and state or laws respecting freedom of choice in religion.

There is no freedom of choice for children brainwashed into supernatural belief by abusive parents who want clones as brainwashed as they are.

Regards
DL