Should toturing be allowed?

Torture should never be allowed. The ticking-time-bomb-scenarios don't happen... and even if they did, torture would not necessarily get us results on time. Torture has never been proven to get good results... just results. And results that are not good are generally bad in that they are distractions.
Torture does nothing but make us look bad.

If we are truly to be a beacon for democracy and liberty, we should have the highest restrictions on ourselves for our treatment of detainees and live up to our high expectations. If we stand for human rights, we should resemble what we stand for.
 
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Torture has never been proven to get good results...

That's not true at all.

U.S. interrogators encouraged Khalid Sheik Mohammed to detail how he masterminded al-Qaeda’s September 11 attacks through waterboarding. He then ratted out Hambali, the man behind the October 2002 Bali bombing that killed 202, and “dirty bomber” Jose Padilla.

Al-Qaeda honcho Abu Zubaida stayed quiet until interrogators stuck him in a cold room and blasted the corrosive music of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Zubaida cried uncle and began to talk. He helped America find terrorists Ramzi bin-al-Shibh, Amar-al-Faruq, Rahim al-Nashiri, and Muhammad al Darbi.
 
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How easily it appears that most of you entirely Glossed over the EXAMPLE as given and chose to respond to something else instead ...

one of you even went as far as to totally dismiss it in favor of you OWN scenario
the story here is about an AMERICAN citizen who was a whistleblower and was HARRASSED and Tortured for being a whistleblower
Of course it is wrong what happened to him...not only wrong, but many laws were broken not to mention his constitutional rights.
 
I heard it was eminem they played, and the music was 'so foreign the prisoners began screaming.' It is funny because I don't start banging my head against a wall when I hear bhangra.

I just had a look through my old eminem CD's (not really a fan anymore), and 'Guilty Conscience' or 'Kill you' could have been good choices.
 
You crack me up Justinian. This would probably be right up your street:


The True History of Pokemon


This article is intended to show the Good Christians of the world that the Pokemon phenomenon is nothing more than a message from the Devil, an oracle of Satanic influences designed to destroy the Youth of America.


The Word "Pokemon"
First, let us examine the word Pokemon itself. Common wisdom says Pokemon is an abbreviation for Pocket Monsters, but this is not true. Pokemon is in actuality a corruption of two Latin words, Pokos and Mono. Mono, is of course the origin of an identical English prefix indicating “one” or “single.” Pokos is a significantly more complex term. There is a joke circulating the Internet claiming that Pokemon actually means, "Buy all this Junk." while I have been unable to trace the source of this rumor, it has a foundation in truth that I doubt the original humorist intended.
Pokos itself is one of the older, and more obscure words in Latin. As far as can be determined, it originated in Northern Italy as the name for a local deity, also known as Pikat-shoo. The Italians who worshiped this god were polytheistic, and Pokos was their god of thunder and lightning. Most of this sect's gods were bestial in origin.

Little is known about this religion's place during the early days of the Roman Empire, but there is incidental evidence that most of the Emperors from Nero on worshiped Pokos. It wasn't until Constantine became a Christian that the Roman Empire began drifting from Pokos and his associated mythology.

As is the case with many Polytheistic religions, the gods were in constant battle, each one leveraging their unique abilities to defeat the weaker gods. The accounts of these battles consist of the gods forming complex alliances, attempting to line up the strengths of one side with the weaknesses of the other. There was no definitive "Good" or "Bad" gods engaged in the actual battles. It was believed that the high priests of this religion were the ones who convinced the gods to battle, orchestrating the alliances and swaying the favor of these deities with gifts and bribery. Pokos was considered one of the most powerful gods, because few could withstand a lightning based assault. The oldest authentic scroll containing information about this religion dates from the third century AD, and states that Pokos formed a permanent alliance with the Roman emperors, declaring them their favored "priests."

During the eighth century AD the mysterious underground religion that had influenced Roman Emperors since the dawn of the empire began to be called the "Cult of Pokos," as a reference to the close ties between Pokos and the Emperor.

The Pokos cult continued as a sub layer to the Roman empire until Constantine became the first Christian Emperor. It is commonly known that Conatantine received a vision of the cross, and ordered a white cross painted on the shields of his soldiers before he marched into a key battle. The 14th century Scroll of Pokos makes the claim that the opposing army had an image of Pokos himself on their battle flags, hoping to win the god's favor. While the legend certain supports a pagan connection with Pokemon, I must admit that there is only one source that makes this claim, and therefore must be taken as unsubstantiated.

There are scattered references to the Cult of Pokos. While I am working on a definitive history of the religion, for the purposes of this discussion I will just list the most significant events. Mind you, what I'm about to do is tantamount to summarizing all of American History in half a dozen bullet points, but this is an essay regarding Pokemon, not a full account of the history of Pokos.

1345 - Over 1,000 members of the Cult of Pokos are massacred by Christian Soldiers. This is the first known incident of discrimination against the cult since 23BC.
1357 - A massive migration of Pokos worshipers begins. Over the next 200 years most of the religion's practitioners move East. They believe they are following a millennia old pilgrim trail into what is now Modern Day India, where many remain to this day.
1699 - The Cult of Pokos enters Fudual Japan as an underground religion. An effort is made to bring the religion to the Emperor, but the "missionaries" are executed.
1734 - The 35 year old law banning the worship of Pokos is lifted. Rumors abound as to the reasoning behind this unexpected move, but there is no definitive answer.
1735 to 1900 - The Cult of Pokos experiences halting spurts of growth. By the mid 1800s, most of the Japan's intellectual and social upper tiers practice a hybrid form of Pokos/Emperor worship, where the Emperor is seen as a final arbitrator of all battles, and is even granted the ability to alter the lesser god's powers. This hybrid religion is believed to have died out after World War Two, while the Cult of Pokos continues to this day.
Please forgive me for completely ignoring the Western and Northern migrations that took place during the Medieval Era, but I think you can see the means by which the Pokos religion worked its way into a consumer product being sold by Japanese game makers.
The question I'm struggling to answer is this: Was Pokemon created as a tribute to Pokos, a means of bringing new worshipers into the fold? It's entirely possible Pokos was nothing more than a quaint old religion someone's grandmother was practicing when her grandson needed a product idea. On the other hand, the game could have been created by an actual member of the Cult of Pokos. I find the latter to be the more likely possibility, simply because of the startling and unsettling similarities between the way the Pokemon game is played, and the way Pokos was worshiped. If there is sufficient interest, I will write more on that connection.

Pokemon and Gambling:
The Pokemon-Gambling connection is a well known and heavily documented one. Pokemon is a "Magic" style card game. At it's simplest, each card is endowed with certain powers and weaknesses. Each player "attacks" the other by playing the card, and that player's card is either defeated or counters. Points are tallied, battles are played out and a victor emerges. The victor usually gets to keep some portion of the loser's cards. I do not intend to spend much time discussing this aspect of the Pokemon addiction. Instead I will refer you to the links below for a further look.
LAWSUIT SLAMS POKEMON AS BAD BET FOR ADDICTED KIDS - New York Post

Pokemon Cards are a Big Rip-Off! This page is one child's effort to spread the word about Pokemon. The page includes a series of quotes from Pokemon-Addicted gamblers. Some of the comments are very heart wrenching.

Pokemon, Burger King and Gluttony:
While I am not Catholic, I must admit there Seven Deadly sins are an excellent way to highlight the different kinds of temptation people face every day. Satan uses many things to control us, gambling and gluttony are two of them. The Pokemon Web site lists the details of an alliance between Burger King and Pokemon's supporters to turn the fast food restaurant into a gambling den, where Pokemon cards can be traded, bartered, won and lost like money in a Casino. It is a transparent effort to lure parents into thinking that there is nothing wrong with Pokemon gambling. They even encourage parents to take their children into a den of thieves so they can essentially be trained to drink their lives away while playing cards and other games of chance.
In the years to come, these Burger King Pokemon Sharks will replace the Topps cards with a deck of gambling cards. They will discard the Pepsi for Martinis and replace the Burger King grill smoke with the cigarette smoke from the thousand wasted lives that will surround them. Thank you Burger King. I am so grateful for this Card Shark Gaming room that I will be taking all my business to McDonnald's. I encourage all parents and civic minded citizens to similarly ban Burger King for their efforts in destroying the moral fiber of America's Youth.
 
Let us examine some of the individual Pokemon characters.
I am afraid the grim forces behind Pokemon have forced me to remove this section of my essay. I had originally used scanned images of the Pokemon cards as examples, but was promptly contacted by Nintendo lawyers and told that I would be subject to legal action if I did not remove the offending material. I sent back a letter pointing out that most of the pokemon characters were based (abet some of them very loosely) on gods from three separate pagan religions, and were as such not subject to modern copyright laws. "It would be like Nintendo trying to copyright images of Zeus or Saturn," I said. I received a second letter reminding me that Marvel currently held a copyright on a god patterned after the Norse god Thor. As there are no lawyers in my parish, I decided it best to concede the legal battle until I had time to rewrite this section to be less dependent on graphical imagery.
Pokemon and the New World Order:
Many of you have probably read my previous articles on the New World Order. No, I am not talking about the professional wrestling media blitz being used by the Trilateral Comission to desensitize us to the terminology. Pat Robertson has much more to say about the real new world order than I, and is significantly more eloquent than myself in discussing it, but for those of you unfamiliar with the concepts I will give a thumbnail outline of the points relevant to Pokemon, as I discuss the subject.
Most of you are no doubt aware of the influx of Eastern ideas and thinking into Western Culture. Part of this influx of religions ideas have been collectively referred to as "New Age" thinking. New Age thinking is stereotypically associated with burned out left wing former hippies who smoke Marijuana and wander around with pony tails. Sadly, this is not the case. Eastern Meditation for example, is being used in a number of settings to lure people into the kinds of mental states usually used to contact spirit guides and familiars, AKA Demons.

The New World Order is a collective term that refers to several movements with common goals and common players. Essentially, China and Japan are the ideological center of a movement towards a one-world government. This movement is supported by the Trilateral Commission, collection of financial and political world leaders dedicated to the construction of this one-world government. All of the USA's presidents since Roosevelt have been members of this commission, as are the controlling parties behind Disney, Viacom and even Microsoft.

Moving in parallel to the one-world government is a cultural migration away from Western Civilization towards Eastern ideas. Judao - Christian concepts of God are being replaced with nature centered religions based on the occult. A more complete discussion of these topics can be found in the book Like Lambs to the Slaughter.

Sadly, few people know about these insidious plans. Outside of the average Right Wing Conservative Christian and the Christian Coalition, few people really know anything about it. One interesting book on the religious aspects of this New World Order can be found by clicking here.

In the larger scheme of things, Pokemon is actually a small portion of this New World Order. Look back at this article. What do you see? Pokemon uses imagery and ideas from a 3,000 pagan religion to teach america's youth to gamble, be greedy and loose contact with reality. It replaces everyday interaction with a surreal world of fanciful characters with magical powers. It is weakening the minds of America's youth, draining away time that would otherwise be spent in activities like football, baseball or Bible Study. In sort, it is weakening the Christian backbone of America. In the end, our children are left with a weakened grasp on reality, and have been conditioned to see things of a supernatural nature as a game. Just as Marijuana is often a "Gateway Drug" leading children to harder substances, so is Pokemon a Gateway paganism, leading children into, at best Agnosticism and at worst Satanism.
 
HELL YES!!! It should be allowed. The Nazis and Japs tortured our GIs back in WWII
North Koreans tortured our GIs back in 1950s
North Vietnam Army tortured our GIs back in 1960s
And now the Arabs are torturing our men & women in armed forces.

It seems to me if its ok for them to do it then its ok for US to do it too. Lets face it even the LAPD tourture suspects.
 
Two wrong don't make a right, why sink to their level? You critise them for it and then say, actually we should be doing it...

If you don't think what they did was right, you shouldn't go to that level. You are going to get ripped apart, you are more immature than most people on this forum, your posts have very little substance to it. My 13 year old brother could come out with better posts, and write them more coherently too.
 
Thats the nature of politics.Not everyone is gonna agree with one another.I was expecting that. Not even the Democrats Nor the Republicans agree members in their own party. Look at Sen Trent Lott,Some republicans dont agree with him on immingration issues.
 
HELL YES!!! It should be allowed. The Nazis and Japs tortured our GIs back in WWII
North Koreans tortured our GIs back in 1950s
North Vietnam Army tortured our GIs back in 1960s
And now the Arabs are torturing our men & women in armed forces.

It seems to me if its ok for them to do it then its ok for US to do it too. Lets face it even the LAPD tourture suspects.

It was cruel and stupid for them to torture our soldiers, but it would be even worse for us to torture their soldiers now that we know how it feels to have our soldiers tortured.

George Washington refused to let his soldiers torture the British even though the British tortured ours. He said that not behaving that way is what set us apart from those people, if we did the same things that they do, then we are no different than they are. The struggle is to do what's right without regard to what other people do. There is no excuse for torture.
 
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We tourture for a reason. To get INFO what Al Queda plans are. Tourture those prisoners helped saved thousands of american lives.How you think the FBI found out about the JFK Airport attack? It was though tourturing the prisoners at gitmo bay.
 
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