Should a man be ordered to pay child support for a child he does not want?

[LegalFictions]

Maybe I wasn't clear. The court did not lie. They were making a legal judgment, not a biological judgment. Discussions like this always get bogged down in crosstalk where defining "alive" by different people come from biological, moral, religious, and legal perspectives. You are conflating the biological with the legal.

Please define the concept of life in religious terms. Thank you.

 

[Lagboltz]

Please define the concept of life in religious terms. Thank you.

I'm not religious so I can't really speak for them, but my take is that it probably involves souls and afterlife and something in the bible or whatever their god thinks of zygotes.

 

[LegalFictions]

I'm not religious so I can't really speak for them, but my take is that it probably involves souls and afterlife and something in the bible or whatever their god thinks of zygotes.

Please define the concept of life in moral terms. Thank you again.

 

[penderyn]

Religious and moral terms are irrelevant. We are here now, for no sensible reason whatever, and we might as well make the best of it, helping one another and abolishing the ludicrous capitalist system that makes it worse for everyone.

 

[Lagboltz]

Please define the concept of life in moral terms. Thank you again.

A moral code involves the definition of right and wrong for different people or ethnic groups. Religion is not necessarily involved in that definition.

Examples: Some might think it is wrong to abort under any circumstances, others might think it's OK if a early DNA test shows severe disability. There are moral issues in “pulling the plug” for patients in vegetative states, or in doctor assisted suicide.

Where are you going with this?

 

[LegalFictions]

A moral code involves the definition of right and wrong for different people or ethnic groups. Religion is not necessarily involved in that definition.

Examples: Some might think it is wrong to abort under any circumstances, others might think it's OK if a early DNA test shows severe disability. There are moral issues in “pulling the plug” for patients in vegetative states, or in doctor assisted suicide.

Where are you going with this?

I stated, “As a matter of biology, a zygote inherits DNA; therefore, as a matter of biology, a zygote is alive.” However, you stated, “Discussions like this always get bogged down in crosstalk where defining "alive" by different people come from biological, moral, religious, and legal perspectives.” I am investigating your statement. Please define the concept of life in legal terms. Thank you.

 

[Lagboltz]

Please define the concept of life in legal terms. Thank you.

I believe the Supreme Court uses Black's Law Dictionary.

 

[LegalFictions]

I believe the Supreme Court uses Black's Law Dictionary.

According to Black’s Law Dictionary (1968), life “begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb.” Snap! The Court lied! In Roe (1973), the Court stated that “the fetus, at most, represents only the potentiality of life.” Clearly, no man can be the father of any child as a matter of constitutional law because no man can pass his DNA to a zygote that is not alive as a matter of constitutional law.

 

[Lagboltz]

...Clearly, no man can be the father of any child as a matter of constitutional law...

So, are you suggesting that the court should get rid of Father's Day?

 

[dogtowner]

So, are you suggesting that the court should get rid of Father's Day?

I think you've hit upon the point of this ! Bravo !

 

[Lagboltz]

My theory is that he knocked up some girl and now he's desperately trying to develop a legal case to avoid child support.

 

[dogtowner]

My theory is that he knocked up some girl and now he's desperately trying to develop a legal case to avoid child support.

I think he had best keep his willie in his pants and throw himself on t by e mercy of the court. He will probably get get prison time for talking about judges lying.

 

[LegalFictions]

My theory is that he knocked up some girl and now he's desperately trying to develop a legal case to avoid child support.

On reconsideration, I think you may be right. It is important for society to enforce the concept of paternity. At conception, a man passes his DNA to his child. Clearly, a child inherits hereditary traits at conception. Therefore, a child is an organism from conception. See the case of Association for Molecular Pathology v. Myriad Genetics, Inc. (United States Supreme Court 2013) (“Genes form the basis for hereditary traits in living organisms.”). Therefore, from conception, a child is a member of the human species. See the case of Planned Parenthood v. Rounds (US Eighth Circuit 2008) (The appellate court sustained the constitutionality of a statute that defines a human being as "an individual living member of the species of Homo sapiens, including the unborn human being during the entire embryonic and fetal ages from fertilization to full gestation."). Therefore, from conception, a child is a person within the meaning of the law. See the case of Saint Francis College v. Al-Khazraji (United States Supreme Court 1987) (A person within the meaning of the law is a member who is “genetically part of an ethnically and physiognomically distinctive subgrouping of homo sapiens.” Absolutely, enforcing paternity is more important than keeping abortion legal. Mea culpa.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

In our world of litigation--what is needed is pretty simple.
Once dating begins--the woman should be asked to sign a "pre-dating" agreement--similar to a pre-nuptial agreement--that says she will accept 100% responsibility for any pregnancies should one occur--the woman needs to take birth control precautions which have been readily available for many, many decades. Too often--women use this trap--and that is precisely--and exactly--what happens all the time. Remember--we are talking about ditzoid starry-eyed teenagers who believe in Unicorns humping without any sense of responsibility. And children should not be a trust fund for ghetto mothers as well.

If they do not sign--just move on to another more responsible woman to get involved with.

 

[dogtowner]

In our world of litigation--what is needed is pretty simple.
Once dating begins--the woman should be asked to sign a "pre-dating" agreement--similar to a pre-nuptial agreement--that says she will accept 100% responsibility for any pregnancies should one occur--the woman needs to take birth control precautions which have been readily available for many, many decades. Too often--women use this trap--and that is precisely--and exactly--what happens all the time. Remember--we are talking about ditzoid starry-eyed teenagers who believe in Unicorns humping without any sense of responsibility. And children should not be a trust fund for ghetto mothers as well.

If they do not sign--just move on to another more responsible woman to get involved with.

Or perhaps guys could stop banging anything they can find the hips on unless they are prepared to pay up for t hr e next 18 years.