Rush Is Wrong...

[Gipper]

and Michael Sheuer is right!

What on earth did Michael Sheuer say to cause such an emotional explosion of bombast?, one might ask. Well, when asked by the host of a FOX News show about what might motivate Muslims from the Middle East to harm Americans, the man the CIA put in charge of the "bin Laden unit" said, "People don’t like being invaded or bombed," and they sometimes retaliate. This of course is perfectly reasonable and understandable. It’s called "blowback." He reminded the FOX host that Muslims have long protested the American military presence in the Muslim country of Saudi Arabia; the invasion and occupation of Iraq; the killing of thousands of Iraqi civilians; the statement by U.N. Ambasador Albright that a half million dead Iraqi children was "a price we are willing to pay" to achieve our political objectives; the U.S. government’s support for the government of Israel in its wars against Muslims; and the bombing and killing of civilians in numerous other Muslim countries, most recently in Mali and Libya under the Obama regime.
"We are trying to impose democracy . . . and parliamentary government . .. on a people who don’t want it," said Sheuer. All of this is perfectly true, which is why Limbaugh did not spend one second of air time disputing anything that Michael Sheuer actually said. He did not because he could not. Instead, Limbaugh attacked a straw man by reinterpreting Sheuer’s words to supposedly mean that "Islam has nothing to do with it" and "It’s the United States’ fault!!!!!!"
Scheuer never said "Islam has nothing to do with it." Limbaugh said that. What Sheuer has said is that many Muslims resent the never-ending attempts by the U.S. government to impose our culture of "democracy" on them at gunpoint and at the cost of thousands of Muslim lives. Limbaugh was never a CIA agent like Scheuer, but one might think of him alternatively as an FIB agent of the state.
Limbaugh was even more misleading when he screeched and whined over and over that Scheuer supposedly said that "It’s the United States’ fault!" "It’s America’s fault!" No, Rush, it’s not "America’s" fault. It is the fault of the several dozen or so political connivers, liars, manipulators and empire builders who call themselves "statesmen." The average American never has anything whatsoever to do with the "diplomacy" that gets us into never-ending, perpetual wars for perpetual peace. As Randolph Bourne wrote in his famous essay, "War is the Health of the State," [A]ll foreign policy, the diplomatic negotiations which produce or forestall war, are . . . the private property of the Executive part of the Government, and are equally exposed to no check whatever from popular bodies, or the people voting as a mass themselves."
It is not "America" that is responsible for the killing of hundreds or thousands of Muslim civilians with drone strikes or other weapons of mass destruction. War always originates, wrote Bourne, when "the government, with no mandate from the people, without consultation of the people, conducts all the negotiations, the backing and filling, the menaces and explanations, which slowly bring it into collision with some other government, and gently and irresistibly slides the country into war" (emphasis added). Contrary to what Limbaugh insinuates and what Barack Obama has similarly declared, the government is not us. The government is the government; it is the largest instrument of organized plunder ever known to man. We are the plundered, duped, and misled into catastrophic, bankrupting war after war that has nothing to do with "national defense."

more here http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo253.html

 

[dogtowner]

hundreds of thousands of dead children ?

had to take this seriously after that

couple that wirh all this jihadi violence beginning long before any hostilities began and what argument there was kind of fizzles out.

 

[Dr.Who]

Yes real and perceived imperialism are a factor. one should not discount the influence of a religion that is warlike. its like the crusades are still being waged over there.

 

[dogtowner]

Yes real and perceived imperialism are a factor. one should not discount the influence of a religion that is warlike. its like the crusades are still being waged over there.

one camp has made it clear that the Crusades is not a finished matter, only on hiatus.

 

[Cruella]

"People don’t like being invaded or bombed," and they sometimes retaliate. This of course is perfectly reasonable and understandable. It’s called "blowback."

Blowback is a two way street. I guess the Khobar Towers, Achille Laurel, RFK's assassination, Kuwait, 911 and many other attackes evaded this guys memory.

 

[steveox]

NO this man is WRONG

 

[dogtowner]

NO this man is WRONG

is it so wrong to have tingling in your loins ?

 

[steveox]

Hes stupid. at least Rush and Bill O’Reilly aren't biased.

 

[dogtowner]

Hes stupid. at least Rush and Bill O’Reilly aren't biased.

everyone is biased but yes, he is stupid. Darrell Hammond was dramatically smarter.

 

[steveox]

I like this better on SNL

 

[Gipper]

Yes real and perceived imperialism are a factor. one should not discount the influence of a religion that is warlike. its like the crusades are still being waged over there.

Agreed. My position on radical Islam has been stated on this forum many times. It is an enemy that must be fought, but only when necessary.

But as you say, US imperialism is no doubt a factor. Following a policy of non-intervention would be a much better approach.

Many Americans would be radicalized if a Muslim empire kept large military forces on and near our shores, while trying to impose their way of life upon us.

Also preventing radical Islamists from entering our nation, would be nice. However our government likes open borders and does little to prevent immigrants with Islamist ties from coming here, as the bombers of Boston exemplify.

 

[Cruella]

Many Americans would be radicalized if a Muslim empire kept large military forces on and near our shores, while trying to impose their way of life upon us. .

If you read "The Project" by the Muslim Brotherhood, the plan is to infiltrate, just like the communists have successfully done.

A November 2001 raid by Swiss authorities on a villa belonging to Yousef Nada, the Muslim Brotherhood director of the Al-Taqwa bank (which had been funding al-Qa'eda), recovered this 14-page plan, written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982. "The Project" presents a "flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the 'cultural invasion' of the West,"

• Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations;
• Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of "moderation";
• Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood's collective goals;
• Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn't conflict with shari'a law;
• Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;
• Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of "international plots fomented against them";
• Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing "academic" studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;
• Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;
• Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;
• Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;
• Instituting alliances with Western "progressive" organizations that share similar goals;
• Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West "in a jihad frame of mind";
• Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;
• Instigating a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and rejecting any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them;
• Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world

http://www.rightsidenews.com/201304...erhood-penetration-of-the-u-s-government.html

 

[Gipper]

Pat Buchanan states it rather well...

First, as it is our presence in their world that enrages so many, we should end our interventions, shut down the empire and let Muslim rulers deal with Muslim radicals.
Second, we need a moratorium on immigration from the Islamic world. Inevitably, some of the young we bring in, like the Tsarnaevs, will yield to radicalization and seek to strike a blow for Islam against us.
What benefit do we derive as a people to justify the risks we take by opening up America to mass migration from a world aflame with hatred and hostility over race, ethnicity, culture, history and faith?
Why are we bringing all of the world’s quarrelsome minorities, and all the world’s quarrels with them, into our home?
What we saw in Boston was the dark side of diversity.
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/04/26/buchanan-the-dark-side-of-diversity/