Rules For Radicals

[GenSeneca]

 

[Pandora]

I forgot how funny this thread was

 

[PLC1]

Interesting. Ridiculing the absurd makes one a "radical."

Just what is the working definition of the term "radical"? Is there one, or is it simply another buzzword, like "leftist", "liberal", "socialist", or "neocon"?

 

[Pandora]

Interesting. Ridiculing the absurd makes one a "radical."

Just what is the working definition of the term "radical"? Is there one, or is it simply another buzzword, like "leftist", "liberal", "socialist", or "neocon"?

Does it really matter what your definition or mine is on the word radical? It seems to me the only persons definition of the word that matters would be the person who wrote the book. At least as far as this thread is concerned.

 

[Lagboltz]

Interesting. Ridiculing the absurd makes one a "radical."

Just what is the working definition of the term "radical"? Is there one, or is it simply another buzzword, like "leftist", "liberal", "socialist", or "neocon"?

I really don't understand why the thread is titled "Rules For Radicals" when almost all the rules can be applied to any fervent group, which includes the Tea Party, anti-abortion groups, etc. In this forum the rules are used abundantly by both political extremes. Rule #1 may be the only exception.

 

[Pandora]

I really don't understand why the thread is titled "Rules For Radicals" when almost all the rules can be applied to any fervent group, which includes the Tea Party, anti-abortion groups, etc. In this forum the rules are used abundantly by both political extremes. Rule #1 may be the only exception.

You would probably have to ask Gen to be sure since he made the thread but I think the thread is about the book named

Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals by Saul D. Alinsky

And his first post is excerpt from the prologue.

 

[PLC1]

You would probably have to ask Gen to be sure since he made the thread but I think the thread is about the book named

Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals by Saul D. Alinsky

And his first post is excerpt from the prologue.

Since he hasn't defined the term "radical", it could just as well be called "Rules for Mongolians", or "Rules for Hermaphrodites", right? You gotta love these buzzwords.

 

[Lagboltz]

Since he hasn't defined the term "radical", it could just as well be called "Rules for Mongolians", or "Rules for Hermaphrodites", right? You gotta love these buzzwords.

I like that. A whole new line of books by just changing the title. Also, it could be published in that series "Rules for Dummies"

 

[Pandora]

Since he hasn't defined the term "radical", it could just as well be called "Rules for Mongolians", or "Rules for Hermaphrodites", right? You gotta love these buzzwords.

Kind of like the writings in the constitution or any other writing from another generation. You have to figure out what that generation meant when using the word or term.

The word Radical today means something different to every one. Even something as simple as a rainbows or the symbols of them mean at least 3 different things today.

What did the word radical mean during the time the book was written and more importantly what did the word mean to Saul since he wrote the book. He wrote it for people like himself, so what ever radical meant to him, he felt he was radical himself. And his book was to aid people who thought like him.

 

[PLC1]

Kind of like the writings in the constitution or any other writing from another generation. You have to figure out what that generation meant when using the word or term.

The word Radical today means something different to every one. Even something as simple as a rainbows or the symbols of them mean at least 3 different things today.

What did the word radical mean during the time the book was written and more importantly what did the word mean to Saul since he wrote the book. He wrote it for people like himself, so what ever radical meant to him, he felt he was radical himself. And his book was to aid people who thought like him.

Exactly.

How often do we debate about a subject, any subject, without first agreeing to a definition of terms? Such a discussion is generally meaningless, as one party is talking apples, the other oranges.

It's the classic faulty syllogism:

No car in town is faster than Joe's Corvette,
My Yugo is faster than no car in town,
Therefore, my Yugo is faster than Joe's Corvette.

 

[Lagboltz]

Kind of like the writings in the constitution or any other writing from another generation. You have to figure out what that generation meant when using the word or term.

The word Radical today means something different to every one. Even something as simple as a rainbows or the symbols of them mean at least 3 different things today.

What did the word radical mean during the time the book was written and more importantly what did the word mean to Saul since he wrote the book. He wrote it for people like himself, so what ever radical meant to him, he felt he was radical himself. And his book was to aid people who thought like him.

I looked it up; it was published in 1971. Ah yes, I was in my 20's during that era. The era of the SDS, the Weathermen, Black Panther party, I was in Berkeley and saw crowds throwing bricks at the cops. Bonfires in the streets. Smashing the windows of the Bank of America. The air was filled with tear gas. Radicals these days are wussies.

 

[Openmind]

I looked it up; it was published in 1971. Ah yes, I was in my 20's during that era. The era of the SDS, the Weathermen, Black Panther party, I was in Berkeley and saw crowds throwing bricks at the cops. Bonfires in the streets. Smashing the windows of the Bank of America. The air was filled with tear gas. Radicals these days are wussies.

Nice! We're from the same generation. . and I came to America as a young bride in 1971!

And. . .I went to the University that many of those 1970's Berkely radicals protesters funded. . . Many went to teach there and still do, including Angela Davis!

Yep! Those were the days! And those tea party people think they invented "protests!" Funny!

 

[Lagboltz]

Nice! We're from the same generation. . and I came to America as a young bride in 1971!

And. . .I went to the University that many of those 1970's Berkely radicals protesters funded. . . Many went to teach there and still do, including Angela Davis!

Yep! Those were the days! And those tea party people think they invented "protests!" Funny!

When I lived in Ann Arbor, Bill Ayres and Diana Oughton lived on the same block. They taught in an experimental school that failed. Diana went to NY and blew herself up and Bill eventually went to Chicago to be an albatross to Obama.

 

[PLC1]

I went in the Peace Corps in '64, before Vietnam and the civil rights protests. I came back to a different nation in '66, when the protests were just getting started.

Lagboltz is right. Today's protestors are wussies. They don't know what radicalism is all about.

Of course, the protestors of the late '60s and early '70s had a lot of material: an unneeded and unjust war, blacks and women relegated to second class status, young people being drafted to fight an undeclared "military action" that no one officially called a war.

We might have some real protests today if we had a draft and were sending young men to Iraq and Afganistan to fight a war that they don't believe in.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I belive bumping a thread is against forum rules, you shall be reported. ( was that not the point of this thread? I have no idea anymore...I just stopped reading it ....





and yes I am not really reporting ya for it.