Ron Paul was the trur leader of the Tea Party movement..

[Cruella]

Oh no......not the Ron Paul thing again.

Half of RP is okay and his other half is a kook.

Lets not go down that road again.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Half mad eh?

Then he's over qualified for the job of leading the tea party

 

[Centrehalf]

How does a trade embargo = holding the government responsible?
It just doesn't make sense to me that you would cut off your nose to spite your face... It sucks that the commies took over and many people lost everything but why should Americans also be punished by being barred from doing business there? If I became a millionaire through trade with Communist Cuba, it would be a great benefit not only to myself, my family and friends but also to all the other Americans with whom I did business. Instead not only are the Cuban people worse off but so too are all those Americans that could have benefited if not for the embargo.

The reason the government is held responsible by an embargo is because they took over the private business in the first place because they thought they could take the money that was rightfully earned by the private business...if you continue to deal with the company then you are rewarding the theft that you are on record many times in this forum as being against.

Americans weren't punished by the embargo, any cigar smoker knows that the new Dominicans are the old Cubans.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

The US government was terrified of communism for one simple reason

Russia looked like it was going to flood the world with decent cheap goods

Which would have fucked the US economy

And that is it

 

[Gipper]

The US government was terrified of communism for one simple reason

Russia looked like it was going to flood the world with decent cheap goods

Which would have fucked the US economy

And that is it

Oh brother! Yeah the USSR was known for 'decent cheap goods.' That is a knew one.

The USSR produced only garbage products because big omnipresent government controlling everything results in complete failure every time. Even during their heyday they exported almost NOTHING. And that is because no one outside the USSR Empire wanted their junk. Those within the Empire were FORCED to buy the crap.

Are any of those goods still being produced?

 

[Texas_tea]

Oh brother! Yeah the USSR was known for 'decent cheap goods.' That is a knew one.

The USSR produced only garbage products because big omnipresent government controlling everything results in complete failure every time. Even during their heyday they exported almost NOTHING. And that is because no one outside the USSR Empire wanted their junk. Those within the Empire were FORCED to buy the crap.

Are any of those goods still being produced?

LMAO ....

Right ... didn't you know WWII was fought over "descent cheap goods"

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

The country that gave the most to defeat the nazis was Russia

The US was terrified of this huge factory and so to try to scare it back it nuked half a million Japanese civilians

Funny how the Russians made this massive sacrifice to defeat the nazis and yet shortly after the war the yanks were friends of Germany and enemies of Russia

But then if Bush's grandfather was supplying the nazis with steel long after the government instructed him to stop and they had to shut him down we shouldn't be surprised that the US is friendly with them

 

[Gipper]

The country that gave the most to defeat the nazis was Russia

The US was terrified of this huge factory and so to try to scare it back it nuked half a million Japanese civilians

Funny how the Russians made this massive sacrifice to defeat the nazis and yet shortly after the war the yanks were friends of Germany and enemies of Russia

But then if Bush's grandfather was supplying the nazis with steel long after the government instructed him to stop and they had to shut him down we shouldn't be surprised that the US is friendly with them

Like a typical hardcore leftist, you make assertions and fail to back them up with reputable sources...and then you try to change the discussion to USSR actions in WWII.

First, the USSR had huge casualty rates in WWII partly, if not mostly, due to incompetent leadership and a willingness to sacrifice their fighting men and civilians. Secondly, they owe much of their success against the Germans to the massive amounts of war materials given them by Stalin's Stooge (FDR).

And no doubt you have conveniently forgotten that Stalin aligned with Hitler early in the war. The USSR gladly traded with the Nazis, giving them much grain, oil, and other goods to keep the German war machine going...they also trained Germans on the "proper" way to run a concentration camp. They also gladly handed over to the Germans for quick execution Jews and others the Germans wanted. They murdered the Polish officers at Katyn and then blamed the Germans for it, which FDR knew was a lie, but accepted it anyway and covered it up. The Soviets imposed brutal conditions on the Baltic nations and half of Poland, which they conquered while allied with Germany. They also invaded Finland during this time, getting their ass kicked by the Finns. Then, after defeating the Germans their soldiers raped, murdered, and pillaged countless eastern Euros, they claimed to be liberating...then enslaving them to their idiotic commie rule for nearly 50 years.

But hey, can you please tell us about those wonderful Soviet products the world so desired, but the USA would never allow to market? Could one of those products be "how to run a gulag?"

 

[Texas_tea]

Like a typical hardcore leftist, you make assertions and fail to back them up with reputable sources...

Dawky doesn't know what a source is .... which of course makes it completely not credible and irrelevant.

All these made up wacko leftist fantasies are just swimming around in his confused little head!

 

[GenSeneca]

Americans weren't punished by the embargo

Trade is Win/Win
Embargo is Lose/Lose

So a communist government takes over violating the individual rights of their citizens and you think the correct response from the US government is to go ahead and violate the rights of US citizens by dictating to them, by force of law, who they can and cannot do business with? Perhaps you could explain how violating our individual rights can be construed as something other than being punished.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Teat

You think hitler was a communist and you are giving me grief about sources??

Russia lost 20 million men in WW2 and they kept the german army busy until it disintegrated saving the rest of Europe

The US arriving late with a little help to fight the nazis does not over ride this fact

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

After the US had invented the threat from communism to whip up support for arms spending they then moved onto the real reason for wanting this huge arsenal of weapons

To try to control the oil supply which has made the US shit itself inside out with worry

So it sucks the dick of Saudi Arabia and wages war against other Arab states in the pursuit of this control