Prove that God doesn't exist.

[9sublime]

I've just realised how bizzare it is that (especially fundamentalist) Christianity is associated with the right wing. An outsider would probably think that the 'weak minded all embracing' or whatever you want to call them liberals would be the ones who 'had faith' in a God.

 

[top gun]

I've just realised how bizzare it is that (especially fundamentalist) Christianity is associated with the right wing. An outsider would probably think that the 'weak minded all embracing' or whatever you want to call them liberals would be the ones who 'had faith' in a God.

That's an interesting take... I've never thought of it that way.

I think the whole truth is it's more of a willingness to live and let live and not a lack of faith on the "Liberal" side. Many... probably most Liberals believe in God or have some type of faith. The difference is they are open minded enough to not expect to nor want to be able to enforce their faith over onto others by laws or organize to try and influence elected officials into inserting more & more religious dogma into our government as the far right "Conservatives" have.

Unfortunately the right in the past has taken issues like abortion, school prayer, school vouchers, and now even "creationism" (read that fake science) and used these issues to put a wedge between people. The so called religious right is no longer really a church group. It's much more like FOX News... it's a Political Action Committee for the Republican Party and that is very dangerous.

 

[9sublime]

The right wing are so willing to poo-poo a conspiracy, and most of the time they are bloody ridiculous, but then again so is Christianity with angels, demons, prayers, a God that people never know exists for sure.

 

[PLC1]

I've just realised how bizzare it is that (especially fundamentalist) Christianity is associated with the right wing. An outsider would probably think that the 'weak minded all embracing' or whatever you want to call them liberals would be the ones who 'had faith' in a God.

Yes, it is bizarre in a way. You would think that someone who went around telling people to love their neighbors, to give everything away to the poor, and to turn the other cheek would be more in the liberal camp. On the other hand, the idea that you have to believe in certain things or go to hell is far from a liberal agenda.

You raise an interesting question: Would Jesus have been a liberal, a conservative, or something else?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

Yes, it is bizarre in a way. You would think that someone who went around telling people to love their neighbors, to give everything away to the poor, and to turn the other cheek would be more in the liberal camp. On the other hand, the idea that you have to believe in certain things or go to hell is far from a liberal agenda.

You raise an interesting question: Would Jesus have been a liberal, a conservative, or something else?

There is a great website http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/ dealing with that exact subject. Jesus' teachings were liberal, extremely liberal, where the Christian Right (which, by the way, is neither "Christian" nor "Right") gets into religion is their identification with the violent, retributive, demented, misogynist, anal-fixated, genocidal monster of the Old Testament. They are deeply embedded in the Law of Moses--they should call themselves Mosaics instead of Christians.

Kurt Vonnegut was a wonderful author and thinker, he once said, "For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes. But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course that's Moses, not Jesus. I haven't heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere. "Blessed are the merciful" in a courtroom? "Blessed are the peacemakers" in the Pentagon? Give me a break!"

 

[vyo476]

Yes, it is bizarre in a way. You would think that someone who went around telling people to love their neighbors, to give everything away to the poor, and to turn the other cheek would be more in the liberal camp. On the other hand, the idea that you have to believe in certain things or go to hell is far from a liberal agenda.

You raise an interesting question: Would Jesus have been a liberal, a conservative, or something else?

Better question: what kind of car would Jesus drive? Based on what you said above, PLC, I'm thinking a VW Bus - with a mounted machine gun.

 

[Eternal]

I think he would drive that one.

 

[PLC1]

I think he would drive that one.

LOL I can remember seeing those old hippie wagons on the road. They would carry Jesus and his disciples, but in no great comfort, and they would have to rely on divine power and not seat belts. Tune the engine well, and they might be able to do 0 to 60 in the same day with a tail wind. I suppose it beats riding on a donkey.

 

[vyo476]

LOL I can remember seeing those old hippie wagons on the road. They would carry Jesus and his disciples, but in no great comfort, and they would have to rely on divine power and not seat belts. Tune the engine well, and they might be able to do 0 to 60 in the same day with a tail wind. I suppose it beats riding on a donkey.

Don't forget: modern Jesus turns water into gasoline. Cuts travel costs, plus the whole water-to-wine thing was causing a few too many DUIs.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

LOL I can remember seeing those old hippie wagons on the road. They would carry Jesus and his disciples, but in no great comfort, and they would have to rely on divine power and not seat belts. Tune the engine well, and they might be able to do 0 to 60 in the same day with a tail wind. I suppose it beats riding on a donkey.

Only if the way is not strewn with palm fronds for the donkey to walk on.

 

[PLC1]

Don't forget: modern Jesus turns water into gasoline. Cuts travel costs, plus the whole water-to-wine thing was causing a few too many DUIs.

I wish I could master that water into gasoline trick, but the water into wine thing would have to be used with some discretion.

 

[icono1]

I think that we created God in our own image then we had God recreate us in his own image.

 

[r0beph]

First of all let me say.

That poll is grossly negligent. To force a yes or no conviction is simply ridiculous. I cannot with any conviction state that a god exists. However inversely I cannot state that a god does NOT exist. The problem, and what you are failing to realize, is that the burden of proof never lies on the person who says something does not exist, it lies upon the one who makes the claim for it existing. If I say there is a huge turtle that lives within the center of the earth and it's his slow walk that spins the earth as if a large hamster ball, I'd like you to disprove this. I mean we can't drill that deep into the Earth, no where near it. So please sir, disprove my theory. This is , without a doubt, JUST AS CREDIBLE as the argument that a god exists based on the evidence that you can possibly muster. Your poll forces someone to say NO, which is wrong on all counts, because I can simply say I DO NOT KNOW. The god and/or gods of all religions are equally likely, if you wish to bring forth the prove it wrong argument that violates all scientific tenets. You sir are ignorant in your postulation of argument, you sir are incorrect in your attempt at proving by null disproof. You sir are why I dislike sheeple. You sir need to go, sit in a corner, read your book, and come back when you have an argument better suited for those over the age of 5. You sir, annoy me. Good DAY.

 

[ArmChair General]

That poll is grossly negligent. To force a yes or no conviction is simply ridiculous. I cannot with any conviction state that a god exists. However inversely I cannot state that a god does NOT exist. The problem, and what you are failing to realize, is that the burden of proof never lies on the person who says something does not exist, it lies upon the one who makes the claim for it existing. If I say there is a huge turtle that lives within the center of the earth and it's his slow walk that spins the earth as if a large hamster ball, I'd like you to disprove this. I mean we can't drill that deep into the Earth, no where near it. So please sir, disprove my theory. This is , without a doubt, JUST AS CREDIBLE as the argument that a god exists based on the evidence that you can possibly muster. Your poll forces someone to say NO, which is wrong on all counts, because I can simply say I DO NOT KNOW. The god and/or gods of all religions are equally likely, if you wish to bring forth the prove it wrong argument that violates all scientific tenets. You sir are ignorant in your postulation of argument, you sir are incorrect in your attempt at proving by null disproof. You sir are why I dislike sheeple. You sir need to go, sit in a corner, read your book, and come back when you have an argument better suited for those over the age of 5. You sir, annoy me. Good DAY.

Yah we've been through this several times on this forum. Most people don't understand that basic logic.

 

[rejs7]

Ok, for all you Atheists out there: Let's hear your argument against the existence of God. For those of you believers: why should/shouldn't God/religion play a part in politics???

It is impossible to prove that 'god' does not exist - Betrum Russell's Martian teapot is a very good example for this.

'God' has no part to play in politics - because 'god' is some jumped up semitic tribal myth that has been perpetuated ad nausem to make good boys and girls behave, and the make the not so good ones feel guilty for feeling that being a black sheep is such a bad thing.

The day that 'god' becomes relevent is the day that Nasa discovers a teapot orbting Phobos, or the day your need snow shoes in hell.