Police chief to call for all drugs to be legalised

[Truth-Bringer]

But it's a lot more interesting when the Mafia's involved.

Please tell me you're just kidding around here. All violent criminals should be locked up for life. "Interesting" is irrelevant.

 

[USMC the Almighty]

Please tell me you're just kidding around here. All violent criminals should be locked up for life. "Interesting" is irrelevant.

Lighten up a little bit, TB. Of course I'm kidding (mainly). And the Mafia only kills other "violent criminals" and people stupid enough to do business with them. Think of it as Darwinism.

 

[Kwaku]

Going Dutch

Trial legalization with ecstasy and cannabis, even impose harsher penalties on non-government distribution (especially ecstasy). This will elimnate the dangers of purity and crime from these drugs. People will be able to enjoy them with the safe knowledge of where they came from and whats in them.


Standardize it and you eliminate the problem.

Oddly enough, that is what the government in The Netherlands has been trying for the past decades and they've been crucified for it in the entire world!
We have less drug related crime, less deaths, even less users because of our way of dealing with it, but nobody wants to get on board.
That's what makes me wonder WHY the big leaders of say UK, US, France are so adament: who's pulling the strings behind the scenes?

I remember France's former president Chirac was one of the most rabid haters of the Dutch system: his own son was a heroin addict. Making drugs illegal and cracking down on them has only increased the amount of deaths and the crime rate.
But why is no one listening????

(sorry if I sound paranoid, I saw Sicko last night and now see conspiraies everywhere

 

[Bunz]

Kwaku,
I would agree, the Dutch system appears to be a successful model in regards to recreational drug use. Having never been there, and for anyone else who hasnt, can you kind of give a run down on how the whole thing actually works. I know pot is more or less available from commercial sources etc. But Id like a little more info on how it actually works.

 

[Kwaku]

Well,
you can buy pot from a coffeeshop. There's quite a few of those all over the country and all towns have one or more of them.
Free heroin is given to longterm addicts
You can have your extacy tested at parties to see if it's ok
(I haven't been to a rave in years, but they used to have facilities there to have your pills checked and "black lists" with pills that were dangerous.

Pot isn't legal, because the European union wont let the Netherlands do that so you have this uncomfortable system where selling pot is legal, but growing it isn't. Weird huh?
It's not an ideal system, but it is much much better than making it all criminal.

Here's a wikipedia article on Dutch drug policy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands

 

[9sublime]

It is illegal to posses cannabis outside of a coffee shop, but the police don't have the right to search you on the grounds you might have it...

You can get ecstasy testing kits in the UK for your pills at raves.

Kwaku, you a raver? What are they like in the US cos you don't have the most thriving of drum n bass/hardcore scenes do you?

 

[Kwaku]

I'm Dutch, so I wouldn't be able to shed much of light on the US scene. Even in The Netherlands I must admit I haven't been to a rave in about 10 years. Back then it was good. Really good even, so I guess there's still a pretty good underground scene. The places I used to go to were usually squats, old swimmingpools or factories or cinemas being used for great parties.
Those have all been torn down by now, but I'm sure there's a whole new set of decrepid old buildings filled with throngs of ravers all over the country today!

 

[9sublime]

Yeah I've been to a few, all outdoors though recently. The scenes definetly shrunk since the the '90s in the UK, but the tunes are better.

 

[saggyjones]

I didn't see this topic before posting my drug legalization thread, but if you're interested in the subject you should take a look at it.

 

[bewitched]

drug legalities tie up the court systems that need to be cleared out for future problems that will be much bigger.

 

[9sublime]

Let me guess... these future problems are the Jews fault?

 

[bewitched]

Let me guess... these future problems are the Jews fault?

heh. that's funny.
no, I wouldn't say the Jews want anything more than to live in peace like the rest of us.
but the enemies of the West will need a place to be tried.

 

[WileE]

Just a quick question

Free heroin is given to longterm addicts
You can have your extacy tested at parties to see if it's ok

The Dutch system of legalized narcontics sounds reasonable enough, but I was wondering who pays for this free stuff. If it's the taxpayers, I don't think it would go over too well, here in the U.S., as most Americans have a thing against socialism. Just curious.

 

[9sublime]

I'm guessing its the government who pays for the free heroin. I believe they give them diamorphine, and they do this in the UK too.

 

[kbthiede@gmail.com]

I don't believe in a nanny state where the government seeks to "protect us from ourselves" when our vices are our own choice.