Organic health care reform

[Dr.Who]

Why is it that Conservatives always evoke the benefits of government programs they fight against? Again, WIC (Women Infants and Children food program), and Food Stamps. Oh, my God...socialisium!
Otherwise they would be eating stone soup.

There is nothing socialist about favoring preventive care. As long as people make their own choices. There is something wise about being able to see points of agreement.

 

[Dr.Who]

You must only read your own posts...I posted this before:

In the city of Detroit there are no longer any major food markets. The residents (many have no autos, always relied on public transportation), are finding that they only have access to "convenience stores). The "food" that is available therein consists of unhealthy "snack foods". There are no fresh vegetables, fresh meat, but plenty of chips, soda, slim jims, corn chips, dough nuts, etc. So, what do you think that the children and adults in this area are eating? How would it be possible for them to "eat right"?

Or, are you going to fall back on: "It is their own fault for being lazy and not providing themselves with a better life style"?

Also, it is noteworthy that poor working folks, sometimes working two low paying jobs, do not have the time to prepare fresh vegetables, whole grains, etc. They do not have the luxury of an undocumented domestic cook. Or can afford to have one parent say home to do the cooking.

Please provide a link so I can do the research to prove that they can get healthy food.

Then consider that it is the gov funded public transportation system that you are claiming is at fault here.

Are you really telling me that the transportation system does not allow them to travel to a real grocery store of any kind?! Sounds like hogwash.

But if you are right, how does that contradict anything I said? I think people need to make better lifestyle choices. If they really can't get to good food then they are really in need of lifestyle choices!!! They need preventive care - that is what I have been saying.

 

[dahermit]

Today we do have adequate medical treatment - all of us in the US who choose to use it. Obama needs to offer adequate medical treatment to no one because they already have it. If the programs that were created to offer that do not work then I see no reason to expand them. And if they do work then there is no reason to expand them.

And, no hunger, no homeless, no unemployed. Isn't life wonderful!
We are done here...I do not deal with people who have dementia.

 

[dahermit]

Please provide a link so I can do the research to prove that they can get healthy food.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12477872

 

[dahermit]

Then consider that it is the gov funded public transportation system that you are claiming is at fault here.

Note to readers of this forum: I mentioned the "public" transportation system in Detroit (as it also exists in almost all American cities). That is, the bus system. Consider how out of touch a person is with the situation of the common man when he does not even know that the bus systems are not publicly funded...one must pay to ride.

 

[Dr.Who]

And, no hunger, no homeless, no unemployed. Isn't life wonderful!
We are done here...I do not deal with people who have dementia.

While there are people who are hungry, homeless, unemployed, and demented, all of them have health care free at any hospital. There just is no sensible argument that there are people without health care. We could debate better ways to pay for their care - but they do have it.

 

[Dr.Who]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12477872

I am having trouble with my mtu settings and the site won't open. I'll have to find it on another site or wait.

I found this article:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...nce&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

It did not quite make your case well at all.

It indicated that right now there are several options.

In fact, when I was in elementary school I used to walk one mile and one block to school everyday and then home again. The article mentioned one family that had to walk ten blocks to get to a store.

The article also did not say that there were no grocery stores. it said that the trip to major grocery stores was twice as far as the trip to convenience stores. Meaning that the people who walk one block would need to walk two and the people who walked three blocks would need to walk 6, etc.

Or they could just wait for the grocery truck that come around like ice cream trucks.

 

[Dr.Who]

Note to readers of this forum: I mentioned the "public" transportation system in Detroit (as it also exists in almost all American cities). That is, the bus system. Consider how out of touch a person is with the situation of the common man when he does not even know that the bus systems are not publicly funded...one must pay to ride.

Yes, How out of touch one must be? Hmmm?


Again I can't open the links but I could read the abstract that my search engine provided. it indicated that:

The city officials in Detroit are responsible for establishing the routes of their system.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/200907040702/FREE/907049997

And that the Detroit system receives subsidies.

So it is partially paid for with tax dollars and it is operated by city officials but you don't want to call it public? If the subsidies are anything like they are for trains they are greater than the cost of the fare. For trains a $7 ticket cost taxpayers $35 in subsidies.

And searcHing under the term "public transportation" I learned that the name of their PUBLIC BUS system is called the "Smartbus".