Oil Politics: War with Russia..

[UShadItComing]

What is "it" a reference to?

Learn to read carefully.

 

[GenSeneca]

Learn to read carefully.

Learn to write coherently.

 

[Sihouette]

Indeed!

I really don't know how the US expected Russia to sit idlly by watching the whole of that region get overrun by american BigOil?

Just because a country isn't flexing its muscle right in your face, doesn't mean they don't have one.

"And when BigOil gets excited our little China girl says, "oh baby, just you shut your mouth.. She says "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

 

[UShadItComing]

So let me get this straight... when you say "Your" brand, you are referring to American Capitalism and NOT GenSeneca's brand of Capitalism?

If so, I agree. American Capitalism is screwed up, thanks to Socialist policy.

You continue to blame your problems on socialist policy but it's anything but socialist policies in most cases. As I've already pointed out to you people with the 'flower shop' example which I think was Rob's or Andy's, it's capitalism run rampant which is destroying your country from within. But you people just don't seem to want to address the problems you have to be able to understand how to fix them. And you, you want to say it's a lack of law enforcement but you don't want to understand why the law wasn't enforced.

Fine with me, I'm just here to remind you and scoff at the silliness.

 

[Sihouette]

You sound so fuzzy UShad, have you had your medication today?

Meanwhile we can get a history of how the US/Russian relationship deteriorated since the Clinton administration:

Russians were sick of their country's backward image and tired of a decade of humiliating economic ruin, rampant corruption and lectures from the West about politics and economics. Nostalgia for Moscow's lost superpower status began to outweigh memories of food shortages and Soviet repression.

Russians were also upset by NATO's expansion into the new Eastern European democracies in their backyard. In 1999, they saw Serbia as a traditional Slavic ally, a former member of the Soviet Bloc now under threat from the Soviet Union's one-time Western adversaries.

Then-Prime Minister of Russia Yevgeny Primakov was on a plane to Washington when he heard that the bombing had begun. He turned his plane around over the Atlantic and headed home, providing the central and enduring image of Russia's growing antagonism toward the United States.

When NATO troops began entering Kosovo later that spring, Russian peacekeepers in nearby Bosnia abandoned their posts and rushed to occupy Kosovo's main airport, blocking British soldiers from setting up there. Russians back home hailed the move as an important victory over NATO.

At the time, George W. Bush was campaigning for the presidency, lambasting President Clinton's chummy relationship with Russian President Boris Yeltsin. Bush promised to end personal favoritism and protect American national security. Taking office the following year, he began by expelling 50 Russian diplomats from Washington for alleged spying. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld snubbed the Russian defense minister soon after by refusing to meet him on the sidelines of a NATO conference...

.. Putin helped lead international protests against the U.S.-led war in Iraq. And the Kremlin saw a new security threat when old, corrupt administrations in the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia fell during their so-called "color revolutions." The new governments were led by young, pro-Western leaders; Moscow believed Western countries had helped bring them to power to further erode Russia's sphere of influence.

Newly flush with money from high global prices for oil, Russia's top export, Moscow began fighting back, reheating Cold War-era anti-Western rhetoric. In a bid to restore his country's great-power status, Putin began flexing his foreign policy muscles through Russia's top commodity, energy...

In September 2006, Moscow cut off transportation and trade ties with the former Soviet republic of Georgia and deported hundreds of Georgians after officials in Tbilisi briefly arrested four Russian military officers on espionage charges.

U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney later responded by accusing Russia of using energy as a political tool to blackmail its neighbors. Russia shot back. Earlier this year, Putin accused the United States of increasing tension and violence around the world...

..As Russia prepares for the end of Putin's presidential term next year, the country's standoff with the West looks set only to deepen.
Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11473661

How happy are the russians that BigOil has invaded sovereign Iraq and enlisted Georgian troops to help them in their little caper? I think not very.

We sure could use a president like Clinton who has had a "chummy" rapport with Russian dignitaries before. All these last 8 years rubbing russian fur the wrong way, we could use someone who knows how to pet the kitty..

Is this conflict about oil? You bet it is. All the more reason to tell BigOil to get stuffed and rapidly sprint, run and race to alternatives.

 

[UShadItComing]

Beamme up Scotty,............................

 

[Sihouette]

Russians were sick of their country's backward image and tired of a decade of humiliating economic ruin, rampant corruption and lectures from the West about politics and economics. Nostalgia for Moscow's lost superpower status began to outweigh memories of food shortages and Soviet repression.

Russians were also upset by NATO's expansion into the new Eastern European democracies in their backyard. In 1999, they saw Serbia as a traditional Slavic ally, a former member of the Soviet Bloc now under threat from the Soviet Union's one-time Western adversaries.

Then-Prime Minister of Russia Yevgeny Primakov was on a plane to Washington when he heard that the bombing had begun. He turned his plane around over the Atlantic and headed home, providing the central and enduring image of Russia's growing antagonism toward the United States.

When NATO troops began entering Kosovo later that spring, Russian peacekeepers in nearby Bosnia abandoned their posts and rushed to occupy Kosovo's main airport, blocking British soldiers from setting up there. Russians back home hailed the move as an important victory over NATO.

At the time, George W. Bush was campaigning for the presidency, lambasting President Clinton's chummy relationship with Russian President Boris Yeltsin. Bush promised to end personal favoritism and protect American national security. Taking office the following year, he began by expelling 50 Russian diplomats from Washington for alleged spying. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld snubbed the Russian defense minister soon after by refusing to meet him on the sidelines of a NATO conference...

.. Putin helped lead international protests against the U.S.-led war in Iraq. And the Kremlin saw a new security threat when old, corrupt administrations in the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia fell during their so-called "color revolutions." The new governments were led by young, pro-Western leaders; Moscow believed Western countries had helped bring them to power to further erode Russia's sphere of influence.

Newly flush with money from high global prices for oil, Russia's top export, Moscow began fighting back, reheating Cold War-era anti-Western rhetoric. In a bid to restore his country's great-power status, Putin began flexing his foreign policy muscles through Russia's top commodity, energy...

In September 2006, Moscow cut off transportation and trade ties with the former Soviet republic of Georgia and deported hundreds of Georgians after officials in Tbilisi briefly arrested four Russian military officers on espionage charges.

U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney later responded by accusing Russia of using energy as a political tool to blackmail its neighbors. Russia shot back. Earlier this year, Putin accused the United States of increasing tension and violence around the world...

..As Russia prepares for the end of Putin's presidential term next year, the country's standoff with the West looks set only to deepen. Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11473661

Clinton smartly kept a nice relationship with Russia. Bush/Cheney, filled with their typical cowboy hubris, thumbed their noses at Russia. BigOil lies to get the public to pay for expanding their empire overseas, one of those puppet situations was Georgian troops. It would be like Russia invading Mexico and installing a puppet regieme in Canada to help them in Mexico. How would we feel about Canada then? Weird it would be, Russians in this hemisphere, knocking our neighbor's door down and gaining allegiance of our other neighbors.

You really have to put the shoe on the other foot. How would we feel?

Bottom line is that BigOil greed and monopoly-lust is at the bottom of this. We need to show the Russians good faith and rein in the real enemy. If we did this, we would gain strategic advantage in less dependance on foreign oil and show the world that we have control of our own country.

 

[Sihouette]

Sometimes I think the Bush administration sits down together and figures the exact wrong course to use and then chooses that.

They make decisions based on BigOil politics. That is the exact wrong course BTW. BigOil is pissed off that pipelines and transportation routes have been siezed. That wasn't part of the Iraq takeover they'd planned. Now they're coercing our troops into a region CLAIMED BY RUSSIA...during a time when they are strong and we are weak!

All (again) under the guise of humanitarian concerns...

Congress better act and act fast. Obama's not the only one who needs to cut his vacation short...

George W Bush/and the real culprit of Georgia's woes: Bigoil, needs to be hog tied and hog tied fast. Congress could act now to stop WWIII....which will most certainly begin the moment US troops are attacked...ARE attacked for sure, by Russians. Let's see how effective Congress is...

You want our vote next time around Senators and Representatives? You'd better nip this thing in the bud. The time is NOW N-O-W to stop BigOil politics in their tracks.

And democratic representatives, do your homework on NSPD-51. Methinks Georgie Boy is going to pull that out of his bag of tricks next. Stay ahead of them and not behind...

 

[Mr.Dysfunctional]

American Big Oil led an uprising in Ossetia, then talked Georgia into invading to retake the province, then talked the Russians into intervening and attacking Georgia... Sounds pretty logical to me!

It's been said the kremlin is actual responsible for the harrasment which brought Georgia into South Ossertia.

The reasoning for the war in general could honestly be pointed at many things just besides oil.. the larger would be sphere of influnce since so many nations around Russia has fallen to Democratic rule.

Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.

Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental principles of cooperation and security in Europe.

Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.

Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin influence.
Source: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/600/42/369767.htm