Oil Politics: War with Russia..

[Sihouette]

Well what many have predicted has come to pass. Criminal BigOil politicians lured us into taxing our Public Treasury and military might to expand their empire to Iraq, while suppressing alternatives here at home for decades, and have now placed us squarely in the position that Russians were hopeful we would be in..

And they're in Georgia taking it over and we will be at war with them soon.

Now, I grew up during the Cold War. I thought that wall in Berlin came down just a little too easily..

The Russians are very crafty. They sat by watching BigOil trash our ability to be strong; ruining our economy, siphoning our revenues and our military strength to further their agenda. We, LIKE STUPID FRIGGIN' IDIOTS allowed Bush et al to lure us down this path and now we're going to pay like you won't believe..

Congress better come back, roll some heads and bring in this runaway horse.

Offshore drilling isn't going to save us now..by ten years we'll be speaking Russian.

Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid BigOil. They're the ones responsible for this. If we had alternatives in place back when they were threatening scientists like my father for daring to patent them in the 1970s and before, we would not be in this position today.

Bastards..

Incidentally, if you want to get all judgemental with Russia for invading Georgia, remember this: they're invading a sovereign nation with the sole intent of controlling the oil flow there...

 

[UShadItComing]

Sihouette- If you ever, ever want to throw out your superstitions and conspiracy theories just let me know and I will give you the straight goods. But you have to be serious in wanting to learn. When and if you start saying the right things I'll know you're ready.

 

[Sihouette]

And possibly in related news...

There is quite a lot of interesting, but wild, speculation running around the blog-o-sphere, progressive circles and just plain dinner conversation these days about whether BushCo will allow a peaceful and constitutional transfer of Executive power in the ’08 elections.

Unless or until George Bush appears on our TV boxes one night, wearing a dark blue suit, white shirt and red tie with his hands sweatily clasped in a desperate death grip on top of his desk in the Oval Office, telling us that some catastrophic event, whether man-made or natural, has just occurred somewhere, and he must, for the good of the Homeland, declare martial law and “temporarily” suspend elections, the fears of many people are truly speculative. In my nightmare scenario, after George drops this fascist bomb and kills the rest of our Republic, he will tell us not to worry and to go about our holiday shopping, traveling and celebrating: it’s the American way, after all. God Bless America...
Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1930215/posts

And Ushaditcoming, maybe instead I can educate you about NSPD-51. When you are ready to learn I will know you're ready...

The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (National Security Presidential Directive NSPD-51/Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20, sometimes called simply "Executive Directive 51" for short), signed by United States President George W. Bush on May 4, 2007, is a Presidential Directive which specifies the procedures for continuity of the federal government in the event of a "catastrophic emergency." Such an emergency is construed as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions." [1] Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Directive_51

Hmmm, what excellent timing for George W. Bush et al? I wonder if he's going to opt for NSPD-51? Suspend the election and keep his administration up and running for the duration of (who knows how long) WWIII?

Congress! Get your butts back NOW. I-N-T-E-R-V-E-N-E...!

 

[UShadItComing]

If you look outside Sihouette, you will see that the sky is falling!

 

[BigRob]

Well what many have predicted has come to pass. Criminal BigOil politicians lured us into taxing our Public Treasury and military might to expand their empire to Iraq, while suppressing alternatives here at home for decades, and have now placed us squarely in the position that Russians were hopeful we would be in.

And they're in Georgia taking it over and we will be at war with them soon.

I doubt they are going to occupy all of Georgia. Perhaps at most the South Ossesita region. The US is not going to war over this either.

Now, I grew up during the Cold War. I thought that wall in Berlin came down just a little too easily..

Yea 40 years of standoffs and coming close to nuclear war was pretty easy.

The Russians are very crafty. They sat by watching BigOil trash our ability to be strong; ruining our economy, siphoning our revenues and our military strength to further their agenda. We, LIKE STUPID FRIGGIN' IDIOTS allowed Bush et al to lure us down this path and now we're going to pay like you won't believe..

Are you blaming oil companies for all of this?

Offshore drilling isn't going to save us now..by ten years we'll be speaking Russian.

Right, because Russia moved into a breakaway area we will all be speaking Russian in ten years?

Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid BigOil. They're the ones responsible for this. If we had alternatives in place back when they were threatening scientists like my father for daring to patent them in the 1970s and before, we would not be in this position today.

Is there any way ever that you do not blame on oil? If we relied on wind power for 100% of our energy, Russia would still have moved into this area.

 

[UShadItComing]

She's outside looking up at the sky bigbob.

 

[foggedinn]

I've been wondering for a some time when Russia was going to re-assert itself over some of the breakaway ex-soviot republics.

With our current military commitments in Iraq and Afganistan, and our saber rattling against Iran, I can imagine that the Russians view this as the right time.

Given Russia's historical actions, I feel sorry for the Georgian's. To avoid something approaching genicide, Georgia should submit completely and quickly.

I understand how unpopular this view will be on the board, but it isn't our lives on the line.

 

[GenSeneca]

To avoid something approaching genicide, Georgia should submit completely and quickly.

Peace is the absence of opposition to Socialism. - Karl Marx

 

[UShadItComing]

I simply refuse to take part in this discussion with Americans until they bring themselves up to speed on what this is all about.

 

[Pandora]

I simply refuse to take part in this discussion with Americans until they bring themselves up to speed on what this is all about.

Promise?

 

[Andy]

Actually... you know what... just out of some insane, nutty, curiosity... maybe I'm morbid...

Question: Can anyone name one singular oil field that is currently US owned... that was acquired through military victory? I do not mean one where a US based corp, purchased lease rights in another country where they have to pay royalties.

Can you name an oil field that we sent troops into, conquered or stole it from the locals, and now own it, where we don't have to "buy" the oil from the local government, or company within said country. I want the name of the field, and country it's in.

I am not suggesting that one does not exist. I am asking to know.

 

[UShadItComing]

I would dance with you on that Andy if you didn't add a bunch of qualifiers first. And I know you are going to get all testy if I say anything about supporting corrupt monarchies which chop their citizens' heads off, so maybe I should just keep out of it. And besides, it's not a question you would ask anybody why knows the real reason why the US is Iraq in the first place.

We in the know already are convinced that the US invaded Iraq to consolidate control over Iraq's fall cabbage crop.

But ain't it a peach of a question to delight libs and the kids!

 

[Sihouette]

Ok, I'm going to maybe start another thread about the NSPD-51 issue.

It deserves it's own discussion.

We surely cannot condemn the Russians for taking advantage of this glorious and easy opportunity to invade a sovereign nation to control oil strategy there. After all, look what we did to Iraq.

Russia saw us taking Iraq's oil and this is their answer to preserve the balance of power....control the trade route the oil takes..

Oh, I'm so proud of the current administration that got the ball rolling by lying to further BigOil's empire. So many thousands of people...probably millions by the time the whole affair lies in the dust....dead... so we can keep this antiquated industry and the leeches getting fat off of it.

Monkeys with guns, lusting after a black smudgy substance to keep around more females, food and playthings. Ooga booga.

 

[Andy]

I qualified the question to remove ignorant answers. For example. Prior to the Iraq war, US companies purchased oil from the middle east, like Iraq, for the going market rate.

Now... we purchase oil from the middle east... at the going market rate, including Iraq.

So the claim that we went to war for oil, makes no logical sense. The oil companies are still buying crude oil from there, like everywhere else, at the going market rate, just like before the war.

This claim holds no water. In fact, a small sect of the political spectrum actually believes we should have confiscated the oil fields of Iraq so that we could reduce oil prices for the US. How could they believe we "should have" done this, if we already did it? Obviously because we didn't do it, and nor have we ever done it.

You can list off all the places world wide that we have ever had controlling military authority in, and never once have we confiscated the natural resources of that location for US homeland use, as far as I know.... Again, which is why I'm asking. Can you name one in which we did?

The only locations where one could possibly make a case would be currently occupied territories. All of which bug me because the local populations loves the US enough they don't want the US to leave, yet they won't vote for statehood. Stupid socialism again. They get the benefits of being a state, without the cost of being a state. Dumb government, I hate em all.

 

[Andy]

Ok, I'm going to maybe start another thread about the NSPD-51 issue.

It deserves it's own discussion.

We surely cannot condemn the Russians for taking advantage of this glorious and easy opportunity to invade a sovereign nation to control oil strategy there. After all, look what we did to Iraq.

Russia saw us taking Iraq's oil and this is their answer to preserve the balance of power....control the trade route the oil takes..

Oh, I'm so proud of the current administration that got the ball rolling by lying to further BigOil's empire. So many thousands of people...probably millions by the time the whole affair lies in the dust....dead... so we can keep this antiquated industry and the leeches getting fat off of it.

Monkeys with guns, lusting after a black smudgy substance to keep around more females, food and playthings. Ooga booga.

We already disproved your theory, unless you'd like to take a crack at answering the question. So really you are wasting the time by making a new thread. I'll just ask the same question there, that you can't answer.