Obamaconomy!!!

[Pidgey]

I wouldn't say "it's of zero consequence"...

But don't worry, you're going to find out if you don't understand it!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I wouldn't say "it's of zero consequence"...

But don't worry, you're going to find out if you don't understand it!

.....Fron another o' your reliable-sources, of course, right?

"The content on this site is provided without any warranty, express or implied. All opinions expressed on this site are those of the author and may contain errors or omissions."

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[Pidgey]

.....Fron [sic] another o' your reliable-sources, of course, right?



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What's your definition of "reliable"... only opinion sources that fit your narrative?

That data's from the U.S. Treasury... isn't that "reliable" enough for you?

 

[Pidgey]

Here's a pretty good history of how we got here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover/

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Here's a pretty good history of how we got here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover/

Yes.....that's very nice.



Now, please go sit-down (quietly), somewhere. Didn't you bring a picture-book, from home (with you), to keep you occupied?​

"Stocks continued their rally on Monday afternoon as investors hailed Treasury's plan to buy up billions in bad bank assets, seeing it as a critical move in stabilizing the financial system."

 

[Pidgey]

Yes.....that's very nice.



Now, please go sit-down (quietly), somewhere. Didn't you bring a picture-book, from home (with you), to keep you occupied?​

фуфло.

Tell you what, though... seeing as how your faith is so strong, take every available dollar you've got and invest it in the market!

 

[Pidgey]

This is a surprise:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602099&sid=a2PHwqAs7BS0&refer=energy

 

[chestnut]

Why does this President not use past history as a guide before making his dumb-a$$ decisions.

This guy is a total idiot and anyone can see that.

IDIOT!

What makes him think that if all the policies that have failed anywhere else, that he, with no experience whatsoever, can make them work here.

Once you try and make a car with square wheels once, you know it won't work.

So what, you keep making cars with square wheels?

Come on. Enough is enough.

 

[Pidgey]

Well, I certainly don't credit any president or wannabe with omniscience. Presidents generally do operate under "handlers" and choose staff probably strongly suggested by the folks that ultimately put them in power. Agendas are what they are. Didn't it ever occur to you that if our standard of living isn't sustainable due to the increasing cost of energy in whatever form that The Powers That Be would do what they feel is necessary to curb our consumption?

 

[chestnut]

I don't think that curbing our consumption is what makes this country prosper. Consumption is what makes the economy grow. Consumption is the driving force of all economies.
If you are referring to cap & trade, IMHO it is another way of attacking capitalism. Once the government gets rid of the private sector jobs by over regulating, taxing, and so forth, all that will be left is government jobs.

So that is exacly what happened in the other failed socialist countries. You can't keep penalizing companies and then say,"hey, why are you moving your company to another country" .

The government has none of the powers they are exerting. It's simple. If they actually read the constituion and believed in the constituion, then they would realize what they are doing is illegal and corrupt.

Government is not the solution. It never will be the soluition.

 

[Pidgey]

The dirty little secret with regard to economies is that they're based on the consumption of commodities and energy. An industrialized economy of this scale consumes a lot of energy. In theory, an awful lot of sunlight falls on the earth per day, more than we can use. But due to efficiencies, engineering and resource realities, we're becoming increasingly more cramped. It's not that the energy doesn't exist--just that it's becoming less and less economic to produce it. As such, we're battling a war of attempting to balance effective and economic availability against a growing user base. We've bonked our head up against a ceiling of sorts and we're trying to do an end-around by madly attempting to increase efficiencies and tap other sources.

Yes, there are a multitude of political battles raging out there, but the end result isn't going to matter that much either way--we're facing a deteriorating exponential with respect to useful work done as the economics of it (harvesting energy) get more expensive.

It is the energy utilized tomorrow that pays for the debt we go into today. If the net energy of said tomorrow isn't going to be growing or, worse, is going to decline then today's debt can't be paid off. You can certainly grow jobs, but you can't grow wealth as we currently define it for all of us.

 

[Pidgey]

Another thing wrong with "the system" is the rise of "finance economy" above the "real economy". Financial oligarchs have a tendency to ruin economies in the long run. A really good read on this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200905/imf-advice

Obama hasn't demonstrated that he's going to go after them, either, which will be a tragedy:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/mar2009/bank-m28.shtml

 

[Mr. Shaman]

BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get on-board, or..........GET OUTTA THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"The Obama administration has forced the longtime head of General Motors to resign and said yesterday that it would withhold additional federal aid to the auto industry unless the ailing companies undertake changes they so far have been unwilling or unable to make.

The administration effectively rejected as untenable the business plans that GM and Chrysler had submitted to restructure their companies, saying that neither had fulfilled the terms of the federal loans the companies received in December."

 

[Ronaldus Magnus]

BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get on-board, or..........GET OUTTA THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well if getting on board means getting on board the Socialist Express....I think I'll pass. I do have one question though......

If Obama continues to fail miserably at resolving the current economic problems, as private citizens how many of you will push government to make Obama resign? I mean he has done the same thing on a larger scale as Rick Wagoner. Obama has taken trillions of tax payer money, and has produce squat with it. Obama has forced stimulus, and an omnibus bill down the throats of Americans. Stuck his greedy little hands in our pockets, put our children in debt, implemented socialist practices, and asked for powers over private sector business. How can anyone look at this and not see anything but a formula for failure. How can you look at Obama and not see anything but a confused, overwhelmed, and nonsensical Community Organizer. That doesn't even listen to his on country, but rather pushes forward with his own agenda.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Well if getting on board means getting on board the Socialist Express....I think I'll pass.

Transform or DIE .

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