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I my self have no religious background or up bringing but as A American I firmly believe every one in the world has a right to thier own relgious beliefs as long as the y do not take others right s away or hurt others . Then you have those on the other end who think churches should be burned like Boris the baboon
 
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o really its a lie and Im white and trash lol. Im i racial live in a 450,000 dollar house and Imm not a jesus freak Im not relgiousn but more into science


How do we know if the Bible is accurate?


There is, for instance, physical evidence. We have copies of the manuscripts and throughout history these copies show that the Bible has been transmitted accurately. Despite common skeptical claims that the Bible has often been changed through the centuries, the physical evidence tells another story.

www.inverse.com

7 Times Scientists Fact-Checked the Bible

What debunks hath God wrought?
www.inverse.com www.inverse.com


Is there anything historically accurate in the Bible?


“ … the historical books of the Old Testament are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archaeological work.”

 
mark francis said:
God has chosen to save people by faith, not by sight,
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It's arrogant for you to suggest you know that because you have no experience in that. Why makes silly claims about something that doesn't exist.
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so He deliberately refuses to prove His existence to proud rebels who have no heart for God.
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There's the same immature justification for no god. You're a blatant liar.

Wake up son. You've been conned. You have no evidence of any god but Continue to generate excuses as if it's your only option. Try atheism. We go the same place as godbotherers after dead.
 
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I agree. Anyone promoting a scientific speculation about the origin of the universe or the origin of life on earth that specifically denies God is an idiot.
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You must remember the scenario you promote. Some big supernatural ghost clicks his fingers and the universe appears, FROM NOTHING.
You believe it is only thousands of years old when there is hard core evidence, not scientific speculation, that proves you are ignorant and wrong.

I know you have youthful ignorance but that's an alibi for doing nothing about research. Keep trying because everytime you do I get another swing at you.
Youre not smart enough to realise that.
 
Boris Norris said:
You must remember the scenario you promote. Some big supernatural ghost clicks his fingers and the universe appears, FROM NOTHING.
You believe it is only thousands of years old when there is hard core evidence, not scientific speculation, that proves you are ignorant and wrong.

I know you have youthful ignorance but that's an alibi for doing nothing about research. Keep trying because everytime you do I get another swing at you.
Youre not smart enough to realise that.
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People had no conception of time them or the universe .
You so smart how did the big bang happen and where did all the matter come from in a infinite small spect
 
mark francis said:
Francis Crick was one of the left's most celebrated scientists who won the Noble prize for medicine in 1962 knew from studying DNA that life could not possibly have spontaneously originated in any known abiogenesis scenario, so he promoted his own brilliant and acclaimed "truth" that original life began on earth as a result of aliens on spaceships visiting earth and sprinkling biologic dust into the atmosphere.

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“An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that, in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle. (Francis Crick (Nobel Prize Laureate in Physiology and Medicine, Life Itself, Its Origin and Nature (1981), p. 88)


Naturally, in spite of his accolades and education Christians had little respect for his scientific speculations.

Another highly educated and widely respected researcher exposed the secret motivations driving atheist scientists to reject the Biblical records of God's dealings with the physical earth and universe and with life on earth was Behe. Behe said:

"The simplicity that was once expected to be the foundation of life has proven to be a phantom; instead, systems of horrendous, irreducible complexity inhabit the cell. The resulting realization that life was designed by an intelligence is a shock to us in the twentieth century who have gotten used to thinking of life as the result of simple natural laws. But other centuries have had their shocks, and there is no reason to suppose that we should escape them. Humanity has endured as the center of the heavens moved from the earth to beyond the sun, as the history of life expanded to encompass long-dead reptiles, as the eternal universe proved mortal. We will endure the opening of Darwin's Black box"

(Michael j. Behe, Biochemist "Darwin's Black Box, pg. 252")
Another Nobel Prize recipient for medicine was George Wald, who admitted:

There are only two possible explanations as to how life arose: Spontaneous generation arising to evolution or a supernatural creative act of God.... There is no other possibility. Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others, but that just leaves us with only one other possibility... that life came as a supernatural act of creation by God, but I can't accept that philosophy because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution.

George Wald
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It appears your man gave up religion at 12 and replaced it with science.

"At an early age, Francis was attracted to science and what he could learn about it from books. As a child, he was taken to church by his parents. But by about age 12, he said he did not want to go any more, as he preferred a scientific search for answers over religious belief."

I also remind you he believed Darwin's theory of evolution along with his buddies.

"In Crick's view, Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, Gregor Mendel's genetics and knowledge of the molecular basis of genetics, when combined, revealed the secret of life."

Heres some more about his work and check what phototypic means. It's blows you theory out if the water.

"In the 1944 Avery-MacLeod-McCarty experiment, Oswald Avery and his collaborators showed that a heritable phenotypic difference could be caused in bacteria by providing them with a particular DNA molecule"

Try and absorb how that destroys your theory.
I don't know why you cherry pick quotations which are clearly contradictory to the facts which are easy to find. You are wrong again so piss off with your god crap.

I leave you and your ignorance with this piece by crick regarding religion.

"The human dilemma is hardly new. We find ourselves through no wish of our own on this slowly revolving planet in an obscure corner of a vast universe. Our questioning intelligence will not let us live in cow-like content with our lot. We have a deep need to know why we are here. What is the world made of? More important, what are we made of? In the past religion answered these questions, often in considerable detail. Now we know that almost all these answers are highly likely to be nonsense, having sprung from man's ignorance and his enormous capacity for self-deception ... The simple fables of the religions of the world have come to seem like tales told to children. Even understood symbolically they are often perverse, if not rather unpleasant ... Humanists, then, live in a mysterious, exciting and intellectually expanding world, which, once glimpsed, makes the old worlds of the religions seem fake-cosy and stale".

Have another go son. I love it.
 
Boris Norris said:
It's arrogant for you to suggest you know that because you have no experience in that. Why makes silly claims about something that doesn't exist.


There's the same immature justification for no god. You're a blatant liar.

Wake up son. You've been conned. You have no evidence of any god but Continue to generate excuses as if it's your only option. Try atheism. We go the same place as godbotherers after dead.
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God's message to sinners:

Romans 2

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
 
Boris Norris said:
You must remember the scenario you promote. Some big supernatural ghost clicks his fingers and the universe appears, FROM NOTHING.
You believe it is only thousands of years old when there is hard core evidence, not scientific speculation, that proves you are ignorant and wrong.

I know you have youthful ignorance but that's an alibi for doing nothing about research. Keep trying because everytime you do I get another swing at you.
Youre not smart enough to realise that.
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Honest intellectuals know life was created by an intelligent being.

"The world is too complicated in all parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone. I am convinced that the existence of life with all its order in each of its organisms is simply too well put together. Each part of a living thing depends on all its other parts to function. How does each part know? How is each part specified at conception? The more one learns of biochemistry the more unbelievable it becomes unless there is some type of organizing principle---an architect."

(Scientist Allan Sandage)
 
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People had no conception of time them or the universe .
You so smart how did the big bang happen and where did all the matter come from in a infinite small spect
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According to fiction science mythology, trillions of huge planetary bodies began locked in a single golf ball size mass in the beginning that exploded somehow and flung the bodies into space at supersonic speeds. After reaching their specific places in the universe the orbs stopped their supersonic outward projection and settled into organized (ordered?) orbits with perpetual patterns of movements that could be counted on to remain constant for billions of years.
 
Boris Norris said:
It appears your man gave up religion at 12 and replaced it with science.

"At an early age, Francis was attracted to science and what he could learn about it from books. As a child, he was taken to church by his parents. But by about age 12, he said he did not want to go any more, as he preferred a scientific search for answers over religious belief."

I also remind you he believed Darwin's theory of evolution along with his buddies.

"In Crick's view, Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, Gregor Mendel's genetics and knowledge of the molecular basis of genetics, when combined, revealed the secret of life."

Heres some more about his work and check what phototypic means. It's blows you theory out if the water.

"In the 1944 Avery-MacLeod-McCarty experiment, Oswald Avery and his collaborators showed that a heritable phenotypic difference could be caused in bacteria by providing them with a particular DNA molecule"

Try and absorb how that destroys your theory.
I don't know why you cherry pick quotations which are clearly contradictory to the facts which are easy to find. You are wrong again so piss off with your god crap.

I leave you and your ignorance with this piece by crick regarding religion.

"The human dilemma is hardly new. We find ourselves through no wish of our own on this slowly revolving planet in an obscure corner of a vast universe. Our questioning intelligence will not let us live in cow-like content with our lot. We have a deep need to know why we are here. What is the world made of? More important, what are we made of? In the past religion answered these questions, often in considerable detail. Now we know that almost all these answers are highly likely to be nonsense, having sprung from man's ignorance and his enormous capacity for self-deception ... The simple fables of the religions of the world have come to seem like tales told to children. Even understood symbolically they are often perverse, if not rather unpleasant ... Humanists, then, live in a mysterious, exciting and intellectually expanding world, which, once glimpsed, makes the old worlds of the religions seem fake-cosy and stale".

Have another go son. I love it.
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Nobody has proven Crick wrong. He said the facts of DNA prove life could not have started on earth as we know it. Miller also knew life as we know it could not have started on earth as we know. He proved it by devising a closed system with an alien atmosphere totally unlike what we have on earth to see if maybe life could have begun on earth under a different atmosphere.

Miller proved life could not have begun spontaneously on earth in any atmospheric environment. He said this:

No geological evidence has ever been found for a primordial soup1
Stanley L. Miller, J. William Schopf, and Antonio Lazcano, “Oparin’s Origin of Life: Sixty Years Later,” Journal of Molecular Evolution 44 (April 1997): 351-53.
 
mark francis said:
Nobody has proven Crick wrong. He said the facts of DNA prove life could not have started on earth as we know it.
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He did not say that but referred to DNA as an important part of evolution of life.
mark francis said:
Miller also knew life as we know it could not have started on earth as we know.
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Hey idiot, that is not their conclusion. You're a liar.
mark francis said:
He proved it by devising a closed system with an alien atmosphere totally unlike what we have on earth to see if maybe life could have begun on earth under a different atmosphere.
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You're getting worse.
mark francis said:
Miller proved life could not have begun spontaneously on earth in any atmospheric environment. He said this:

No geological evidence has ever been found for a primordial soup1
Stanley L. Miller, J. William Schopf, and Antonio Lazcano, “Oparin’s Origin of Life: Sixty Years Later,” Journal of Molecular Evolution 44 (April 1997): 351-53.
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This is what he and others discovered. You are a liar.

tanley Lloyd Miller (March 7, 1930 – May 20, 2007) was an American chemist who made landmark experiments in the origin of life by demonstrating that a wide range of vital organic compounds can be synthesized by fairly simple chemical processes from inorganic substances. In 1952 he carried out the Miller–Urey experiment, which showed that complex organic molecules could be synthesised from inorganic precursors. The experiment was widely reported, and provided support for the idea that the chemical evolution of the early Earth had led to the natural synthesis of chemical building blocks of life from inanimate inorganic molecules.[1] He has been described as the "father of prebiotic chemistry
 
mark francis said:
Honest intellectuals know life was created by an intelligent being.

"The world is too complicated in all parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone. I am convinced that the existence of life with all its order in each of its organisms is simply too well put together. Each part of a living thing depends on all its other parts to function. How does each part know? How is each part specified at conception? The more one learns of biochemistry the more unbelievable it becomes unless there is some type of organizing principle---an architect."

(Scientist Allan Sandage)
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Please read this bio of him then tell me he was a godbotherer.
You are a brainwashed ignorant fool and should refrain from your silly posts.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Allan Sandage - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 
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mark francis said:
God's message to sinners:

Romans 2

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
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Being an atheist, sin doesn't come into my sphere so none of that applies. The godbotherers are the ones born with sin, whatever that is, then spend their lives praying to a ghost to get rid of it, whilst applying for forgiveness and grace, which no one has ever confirmed they received.

Can't you see how ridiculous you look?
 
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