NeoCons (And Supporters); Prepping For A LOSS!

[PLC1]

i read it, i was responding to all the lefties here who can't wait to spew their hate for the USA

Oh. I thought you were responding to Trump's words about impeaching Bush.

Do you think Trump is a leftie also?

 

[top gun]

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That would be this guy?

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Reverend Wright was the pastor at Senator Obama's church. A pastor speaks out on various social issues as he sees them... but parishioners go to church for spiritual fulfilment... Jesus... God... that sort of thing.

I've been to a lot of churches and every church has different social issues that concern them. If it were a Jewish situation they'd be big about talking about anti-defamation. That doesn't mean anything about the people in attendance. They're just listening.

We could just as easily sit here and talk about McCain seeking out endorsements from Hagee & Parsley who are way out there on many more issues.

You believe Obama is a "combination of intelligence & temperament" based on... what?

Well I could post his biography but you already know it. Cum Laude at Harvard Law, Editor of the Harvard Law Review, Constitutional Law Professor these are very difficult mental accomplishments to achieve. McCain graduate #894 out of #899 (5th worst in class).

On temperament that goes without saying. Senator Obama has been on a very polite steady even keel all through the primaries and through this general election... and he'll be that way again tonight in the last debate. That's just the way he is. McCain is erratic in everything he does... he's all over the board with emotional (often mean spirited) mood swings.

So your idea of "rush" is waiting 2 years, after a prior president spent the entire 8 years waiting?

Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11.

There was no reason to invade Iraq and loose over 4100 brave American soldiers, over 30,000 seriously wounded not to mention the civilian death toll... and waste up to $12 BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH for 6 years.

Saddam Hussein had no WMD's and was in such a "no fly" box that he couldn't even put up a crop duster let alone attack anybody.

We are, and have been, turning over control of province after province, consistently for a few years now. Obviously, unless you are blind, it's clear that we will be out of Iraq when the job is finished.

Well we'll definitely be out in 16 months after Jan. 20th 2009.

Oh goody. Child murders support each other. How nice.

I was asked a question and I gave the answer that me, wife and my girls... are all Pro-Choice.

Unbelievable! Why why why? There is absolutely no logical reason to support a failing system!

In the 80s, they did a test where people were allowed to opt-out of Social Security. They were then allowed to put their payroll deducations into a private retirement firm. The result was, at worst they were paid 5 times as much.

Further, every year benefits are reduced, and costs are increased. Yet it still will be bankrupt in just a few years. How can you support this horrible system? Mathematically, you'd have to be a dope smoking idiot to support this.

Hey I'm loving this. Did you see how quick & how far McCain dropped in the polls in Florida the second he let it slip that he wanted to do away with Social Security? Please by all means talk about this a lot

You have only two options. More regulations (socialism), or deregulate (free market with individual responsibility). Those are the two options.

I'm for not having the economic meltdown & crisis that we are in because the Republicans took away all the oversight and rules (regulation) so the big wigs could get richer and us working guys would have to bail them out with our tax money... so I'm going for whatever that's called.

We know where socialism goes... people die. In the UK, you have to wait up to 2 months, just to get on a waiting list. Then on the list, you are likely to wait 6 weeks more. Then if you are referred to a specialist, you can wait another month or two. Then once you are recommended for surgery, you can wait years. A woman diagnosed with cancer, had to wait so long for surgery, the cancer became inoperable, and she died.

Bottom line, is you want socialism, which is what Obama is for, people will die. Cutting costs in health care terms, means fewer doctors, long waiting lists, poor service, and death.

That's crazy talk from someone who loves George Bush and just can't come to grip with the fact everyone found out you're all full of $hit!

I have several friends in Canada & and there are actually a lot of people that came over from England to help the Obama campaign. They love their National Healthcare System.

The fact is that all basic healthcare is attended to as quick or quicker as it is over here (AND THAT'S WITH EVERYBODY ELIGIBLE). If you have to be refereed to a specialist the time frame is very similar to how long you have to wait to get into one right here in America.

Now they do tell me this. If the procedure is considered experimental or is elective there can be a wait. But think about it. With private healthcare insurance they just plain turn you down on experimental procedures and electives are never covered.

It's these people you hear about coming to America for treatment (experimental and elective) because if they pay for it out of pocket they can get it quicker.

I'm sure President Obama will find some combination that is much better than what we have now with skyrocketing costs, non-allowable preexisting conditions and millions not even covered and treated in our most expensive emergency rooms for free... costs passed along to all of us in our insurance premiums.

Positive change for the better.

 

[Libsmasher]

Well I could post his biography but you already know it. Cum Laude at Harvard Law, Editor of the Harvard Law Review, Constitutional Law Professor these are very difficult mental accomplishments to achieve. McCain graduate #894 out of #899 (5th worst in class).

You're endlessly going to shovel that sh__, huh?

OK, here goes for the 99th time:

- Obama got into harvard by "affirmative action" - if he were white with the same "credentials", Harvard wouldn't have given him the time of day.

- He got on the Harvard Law Review because they appoint many appointees each year on the basis of "diversity", as anyone can see by checking their website.

- Obama's classmates on the Review say he got elected president just by being Miss Congeniality.

- Almost everyone graduates from Harvard with honors, the honors inflation in the ivy league is well known to everyone except obamabots.

- Obama's REAL intellectual "ability" can be seen by the fact that he never published a single law article, probably a first for anyone who has been president of a scholarly journal - the "affirmative action" practically SHOUTS at you.

- Constitutional law is practically the single most intellectually unchallenging discipline in the academy.

- McCain's classmates have said he got low grades ONLY because he didn't believe in taking tests. McCain's performance in the profession for which he trained at the academy was exceptional and among the most distinguished of his generation, in complete contrast to Obama's achievement-free experience as a lawyer.

 

[BigRob]

There was no reason to invade Iraq and loose over 4100 brave American soldiers, over 30,000 seriously wounded not to mention the civilian death toll... and waste up to $12 BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH for 6 years.

Saddam Hussein had no WMD's and was in such a "no fly" box that he couldn't even put up a crop duster let alone attack anybody.

12 billion a month for 6 years is what... 860 billion or so?

Interestingly enough, we would not save any of that money under an Obama administration. Obama is the sponsor of S. 2433 which would send 800 billion of that right back to Africa to fight poverty.

We have all seen how good and non-corrupt that has been in the past. Of that 800 billion it is likely not even half makes it to the intended target.

Also, remember Saddam had no weapons, but he also was playing it up that he did to balance with Iran. Given that our intelligence is so bad, it is hardly a stretch to assume we thought Iraq had them as well.

On top of that, the United States does one of the worst jobs in the world of counter-intelligence, while places in the Middle East do really good jobs. It is almost a certainty to those who follow that kind of thing, that Iraq was running a CI operation on us, just as we were trying to gather whatever intel we could find. Problem is, Saddam thought we would take the UN route again, and honestly believed he would outlast the attack, just as he did in 91. This of course proved to be false.

Well we'll definitely be out in 16 months after Jan. 20th 2009.

Thanks to a surge that restored order and stability. Of course Obama proposed the 16 month time table before the surge even started. I hardly think the credit is with him on any success.

I'm for not having the economic meltdown & crisis that we are in because the Republicans took away all the oversight and rules (regulation) so the big wigs could get richer and us working guys would have to bail them out with our tax money... so I'm going for whatever that's called.

Given that "rich" people pay the vast majority of taxes, who do you think is really shouldering the burden of a "taxpayer funded" bailout? Those who were against the bailout for the most part as I recall were House Republicans, not Democrats.

I'm sure President Obama will find some combination that is much better than what we have now with skyrocketing costs, non-allowable preexisting conditions and millions not even covered and treated in our most expensive emergency rooms for free... costs passed along to all of us in our insurance premiums.

Positive change for the better.

So far his solution is just more taxes and capping the price. Bad and worse.

 

[GenSeneca]

I'm sure President Obama will find some combination that is much better than what we have now with skyrocketing costs, non-allowable preexisting conditions and millions not even covered and treated in our most expensive emergency rooms for free... costs passed along to all of us in our insurance premiums.

How is Obama's OPEN BORDER policy going to help put a stop to the illegals who get free health services, the same free services that drive up your premiums?

 

[Andy]

Reverend Wright was the pastor at Senator Obama's church. A pastor speaks out on various social issues as he sees them... but parishioners go to church for spiritual fulfilment... Jesus... God... that sort of thing.

I've been to a lot of churches and every church has different social issues that concern them. If it were a Jewish situation they'd be big about talking about anti-defamation. That doesn't mean anything about the people in attendance. They're just listening.

We could just as easily sit here and talk about McCain seeking out endorsements from Hagee & Parsley who are way out there on many more issues.

So if your preacher was telling you "g-d d-mn America" for 20 plus years, and you completely disagreed with what he's saying, you'd still listen to him? Now I can see just how hypocritical the left can get. Hypocrisy is apparently a form of spirituality.

On temperament that goes without saying. Senator Obama has been on a very polite steady even keel all through the primaries and through this general election... and he'll be that way again tonight in the last debate. That's just the way he is. McCain is erratic in everything he does... he's all over the board with emotional (often mean spirited) mood swings. [/COLOR]

I have yet to see McCain act this way.

Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11.

There was no reason to invade Iraq and loose over 4100 brave American soldiers, over 30,000 seriously wounded not to mention the civilian death toll... and waste up to $12 BILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH for 6 years.

Saddam Hussein had no WMD's and was in such a "no fly" box that he couldn't even put up a crop duster let alone attack anybody.

Not relevant. The prior statement had NOTHING to do with 9/11. That a red herring.

Funny, because Bill Clinton thought there was. Hillary Clinton thought there was. All the democrat leadership thought there was. The UK thought there was. A large number of other nations that all participated in the multi-national invasion thought there was. Our CIA and Military thought there was. The UN agreed there was.

Basically half the planet disagrees with you, as well as the majority of Americans. And anyone who thinks Saddam Hussein didn't have WMDs when he USED THEM prior... is just an idiot. There simply is no other explanation for such a stupid comment.

Well we'll definitely be out in 16 months after Jan. 20th 2009.

You might be surprised. Remember LBJ?

I was asked a question and I gave the answer that me, wife and my girls... are all Pro-Choice.

Yes, you and your family all support murder. I understand that.

Hey I'm loving this. Did you see how quick & how far McCain dropped in the polls in Florida the second he let it slip that he wanted to do away with Social Security? Please by all means talk about this a lot

It doesn't matter. Social Security will fail regardless of if we deal with the issue today or later. If we elect an idiot that will whisper sweet lie in your ear that the system will work forever, then you are a fool for believing the obvious false statement, and everyone will suffer at the hands of a failed system. But ultimately, you won't care, because it's your children, long after your dead, that will pay the price. Liberalism = selfishness.

I'm for not having the economic meltdown & crisis that we are in because the Republicans took away all the oversight and rules (regulation) so the big wigs could get richer and us working guys would have to bail them out with our tax money... so I'm going for whatever that's called.

Name one oversight or regulation that actually applies to the problem at hand, that republicans 'took away'. Name ONE. Name the bill, and how it applies to the current situation. (Psst: you can't because it's not true)

Once again, liberal stupidity stopped by logic and facts.

That's crazy talk from someone who loves George Bush and just can't come to grip with the fact everyone found out you're all full of $hit!

I have several friends in Canada & and there are actually a lot of people that came over from England to help the Obama campaign. They love their National Healthcare System.

This is the uneducated bull that leads the ignorant to support the messiah. WILL YOU PLEASE LEARN SOMETHING! Limited hearsay is not the measure by which you look at a system.

"Well Gee golly! I know Bubba, and he said why that there health system is a workin fine!"
Will you read please? READ!! From the LONDON TELEGRAPH:

Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors (an actual headline)

Doctors are calling for NHS treatment to be withheld from patients who are too old or who lead unhealthy lives.

Smokers, heavy drinkers, the obese and the elderly should be barred from receiving some operations, according to doctors, with most saying the health service cannot afford to provide free care to everyone.

A socialized system ALWAYS fails. ALWAYS. They CAN NOT AFFORD IT. In other words, bubba can love it all he wants. It's still killing people!

About one in 10 hospitals already deny some surgery to obese patients and smokers, with restrictions most common in hospitals battling debt.

They are already denying care based on the fact they CAN NOT AFFORD IT.

Among the survey of 870 family and hospital doctors, almost 60 per cent said the NHS could not provide full healthcare to everyone and that some individuals should pay for services.

THIS IS SOCIALIZED CARE! It will happen here. It already is happening in sections of the US that have socialized care. People are dying, and will die from socialized care. If you close your eyes, refuse to learn, and simply accept the lies of a politician, you make a great obamabot, but a horrible ignorant American. Time to wake up people.

The fact is that all basic healthcare is attended to as quick or quicker as it is over here (AND THAT'S WITH EVERYBODY ELIGIBLE). If you have to be refereed to a specialist the time frame is very similar to how long you have to wait to get into one right here in America.

Now they do tell me this. If the procedure is considered experimental or is elective there can be a wait. But think about it. With private healthcare insurance they just plain turn you down on experimental procedures and electives are never covered.

It's these people you hear about coming to America for treatment (experimental and elective) because if they pay for it out of pocket they can get it quicker.

Not true. When I had health issues, I was referred to a specialist twice. In both instances, I waited under a week. One was only 2 days. That's far cry from 6 to 12 weeks. Further, my 2 emergency room visits were both under 2 hours from arrival to seeing a doctor. In Canada, the average is 20 hours or more. Even in parts of the US with socialized care, the average wait time is up to 36 hours... just to get a room!

None of that includes the intangibles, like how you are treated. People who have used both American hospitals and Canadian hospitals, routinely complain how poorly they are treated in Canada verses America. Of course here, they are customers who must be treated well lest they go to a different hospital. In Canada they are nothing but a number that has no relevance to what the hospital gets paid from their customer... Government.

People come here for treatment because they simply can't get treated in their country. Would you like to discuss the hundreds of women from Canada, every year from every province, that would have their babies die if they couldn't come here for help? Not for electives, or experimental, but basic Neonatal care. They'd die in Canada, if not for our evil capitalist system.

I'm sure President Obama will find some combination that is much better than what we have now with skyrocketing costs, non-allowable preexisting conditions and millions not even covered and treated in our most expensive emergency rooms for free... costs passed along to all of us in our insurance premiums.

Positive change for the better. [/COLOR]

Yeah, like pulling your own teeth because your socialist messiahs failed policies. Read this:

Brits resort to pulling own teeth

Some English people have resorted to pulling out their own teeth because they cannot find -- or cannot afford -- a dentist, a major study has revealed.

You keep forgetting, there is a reason for cost. You can't just cut the cost of something, without having an equal economic effect. In this case, the pay rate for a dentist is so low under socialized care (in order to reduce cost) that no one wants to be a dentist now. Thus there is a national shortage of dentists. Most go into private non-socialized practice, which is costly and expensive, thus very few (the rich) can afford it. Leaving the lower and middle class to pull their own teeth out with pliers.

It will happen here. Thanks to the ignorant and socialist messiah followers, the failed policies of Europe will become reality here.

 

[Andy]

- Obama's REAL intellectual "ability" can be seen by the fact that he never published a single law article, probably a first for anyone who has been president of a scholarly journal - the "affirmative action" practically SHOUTS at you.

What? He what? Ok, I'm even at a loss now. How does one get through Harvard without publishing a single law article? I thought that was a requirement! He was president of a journal, and never published an article?

How do these obamabots buy this?!

 

[Pandora]

What? He what? Ok, I'm even at a loss now. How does one get through Harvard without publishing a single law article? I thought that was a requirement! He was president of a journal, and never published an article?

How do these obamabots buy this?!

well they dont care about that because obama is going to bring change

and you just have to believe in him and have hope

 

[GenSeneca]

... the failed policies of Europe will become reality here.

Round here... we call that "Change"

 

[Andy]

Hope and change, change and hope, yes we can, change and hope and we can we can we can hope, we can change, change we can hope in, hope we can change, we hope can change....


Will someone please shoot me if America has sunk to this level of stupidity.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

How is Obama's OPEN BORDER policy going to help put a stop to the illegals who get free health services, the same free services that drive up your premiums?

So that's why Lil' Dumbya is giving health-insurance companies such HUGE subsidies....to cover illegals free health services. And.....all-this-time, Medicare-recipients thought it was all-about-them.

"This $80 billion price-tag is based on two specific provisions where Republicans sold out seniors for their industry contributors. First, they created a confusing web of competing and inefficient private plans run by private insurers—who receive huge subsidies from the federal government—that beneficiaries must choose from, rather than a simple stand-alone benefit run by Medicare. The low overhead costs of a single administrating agency could save $4.8 billion annually.

Second, they made it illegal for the federal government to negotiate the price of drugs with manufacturers, despite the fact every other industrialized nation negotiates these prices. When the government does negotiate lower prices for bulk drug purchases, as does the Veterans Administration, it saves more than 40 percent compared to the market cost. Applied to Medicare, this would save about $560 billion over the first eight years of the program. The cost of the disastrous Medicare plan is even greater when the subsidies given to insurance companies are factored in."

 

[GenSeneca]

So that's why Lil' Dumbya is giving health-insurance companies such HUGE subsidies....to cover illegals free health services. And.....all-this-time, Medicare-recipients thought it was all-about-them.

As usual, you bring nothing to the table but childish, nonsense:

rather than a simple stand-alone benefit run by Medicare

How's Medicare doing again? Thats right... its totally bankrupt, like your simple intellect.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

As usual, you bring nothing to the table but childish, nonsense.

Too-many big words (for you), to read, huh?

 

[GenSeneca]

Too-many big words (for you), to read, huh?

It seems your the one who's reading comprehension skill are lacking... I point to your article quote:

rather than a simple stand-alone benefit run by Medicare

Medicare is Bankrupt... Please, I beg you, post another one-liner with a link... it helps to underscore my point about your intellectual bankruptcy.

 

[top gun]

You're endlessly going to shovel that sh__, huh?

OK, here goes for the 99th time:

- Obama got into harvard by "affirmative action" - if he were white with the same "credentials", Harvard wouldn't have given him the time of day.

- He got on the Harvard Law Review because they appoint many appointees each year on the basis of "diversity", as anyone can see by checking their website.

- Obama's classmates on the Review say he got elected president just by being Miss Congeniality.

- Almost everyone graduates from Harvard with honors, the honors inflation in the ivy league is well known to everyone except obamabots.

- Obama's REAL intellectual "ability" can be seen by the fact that he never published a single law article, probably a first for anyone who has been president of a scholarly journal - the "affirmative action" practically SHOUTS at you.

- Constitutional law is practically the single most intellectually unchallenging discipline in the academy.

- McCain's classmates have said he got low grades ONLY because he didn't believe in taking tests. McCain's performance in the profession for which he trained at the academy was exceptional and among the most distinguished of his generation, in complete contrast to Obama's achievement-free experience as a lawyer.

Come on dude I know you lean racist but people have seen these two together. There's no doubt to the VAST intelectual difference.