Meanwhile, in the war in our own backyard...

[PLC1]

that much money passed around underground will cause corruption and violence, look at the prohibition era. It is worse in Mexico, areas are turning into lawless war zones. That being said, Colombia turned their situation around, so can Mexico.

The first part of your post is accurate. As for the second part, I'm not so sure.

War on drugs in Colombia

Military helicopters continue to scythe over treetops in the Colombian jungle and hundreds of millions of dollars are still poured into the fight – but there is a growing conviction that it cannot be won.

It may evolve and change shape, move from jungles to cities and from bloody battles to discreet bribes, but it will not end with a flag planted in the ground and victory declared.

 

[Hobo1]

I think most people in the US don't give a damn about what happens in Mexico, or Colombia.

 

[PLC1]

I think most people in the US don't give a damn about what happens in Mexico, or Colombia.

Most of them don't even know what is happening there. It is our addicts and our "war on drugs" that is keeping the violence going, but the average person has no clue, and probably wouldn't care anyway.

 

[Rafael Norma]

I think most people in the US don't give a damn about what happens in Mexico, or Colombia.

"Acknowledgement from the parties make discoveries

non-essential."

 

[Centrehalf]

The United States of Amnesia sells all type of weapons to drug dealers, that are smuggled to Mexico:
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Are you seriously trying to claim that the actions of Mexican criminals is the fault of American citizens engaging in a legal activity within the borders of America? Guard your border, clean up your federales, and shut the hell up.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Are you seriously trying to claim that the actions of Mexican criminals is the fault of American citizens engaging in a legal activity within the borders of America? Guard your border, clean up your federales, and shut the hell up.

so if its legal its ok...so if Mexico made drug smuggling legal it would be ok?

And many of those guns are purchased on the gray market..aka guns shows and threw legal loopholes...

 

[Centrehalf]

so if its legal its ok...so if Mexico made drug smuggling legal it would be ok?

And many of those guns are purchased on the gray market..aka guns shows and threw legal loopholes...

If Mexico made drug smuggling legal, then yes, it would be OK, until the smugglers left Mexico.

As for the grey market..what happens after the weapons are purchased legally is not our fault. If the weapons are legal in this country, then it's not smuggling until they cross the border. This is Mexico's problem, period, and I'm tired of hearing Mexicans blame America for their total and complete failure to properly run their piss-ant little third world country.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

If Mexico made drug smuggling legal, then yes, it would be OK, until the smugglers left Mexico.

As for the grey market..what happens after the weapons are purchased legally is not our fault. If the weapons are legal in this country, then it's not smuggling until they cross the border. This is Mexico's problem, period, and I'm tired of hearing Mexicans blame America for their total and complete failure to properly run their piss-ant little third world country.

becuase god knows Americans never blame them for all the drugs here...and the violent cartels that form to make sure they provide us with as much illegal drugs as we can snort and smoke. Americas drug habbit and Drug war, may as well just be the US loading up trucks and just shipping money and arms directly to the Murdering thugs...

 

[Centrehalf]

becuase god knows Americans never blame them for all the drugs here...and the violent cartels that form to make sure they provide us with as much illegal drugs as we can snort and smoke. Americas drug habbit and Drug war, may as well just be the US loading up trucks and just shipping money and arms directly to the Murdering thugs...

That's a different issue. There's demand here, and there is violence in many countries because of our decision to enact a quasi-prohibition. But, the Mexican government does not have control over most of their own nation, and that is not America's fault. The Federales are notoriously corrupt, Oaxaca is a total mess right now, Baja may as well be it's own country for all of the influence that Mexico City has (or does not have) there. Mules buying guns legally in America and then giving them to a smuggler isn't causing Mexico's problems, it's only exposing their problems, and I'm sick and tired of Mexicans blaming America for their failure to govern their own country.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

That's a different issue. There's demand here, and there is violence in many countries because of our decision to enact a quasi-prohibition. But, the Mexican government does not have control over most of their own nation, and that is not America's fault. The Federales are notoriously corrupt, Oaxaca is a total mess right now, Baja may as well be it's own country for all of the influence that Mexico City has (or does not have) there. Mules buying guns legally in America and then giving them to a smuggler isn't causing Mexico's problems, it's only exposing their problems, and I'm sick and tired of Mexicans blaming America for their failure to govern their own country.

and of course why is it they don't have power over that half the nation? why are they corrupt? simple...Drug money....drug money from the US.

 

[Centrehalf]

and of course why is it they don't have power over that half the nation? why are they corrupt? simple...Drug money....drug money from the US.

However much drug money you think is in Mexico, there's far more of it here but I don't see us having the same problems Mexico has. Our worst neighborhoods are still nothing compared to Juarez. Their problems are far worse than just some US drug money.

 

[PLC1]

Mexico has some serious problems, to be sure. One of those problems is the existence of violent gangs that are often better armed than the police.

Those gangs are fighting over who gets to sell illegal drugs in the United States.

So, the violence on the US/Mexico border is a bi national problem. The US has become a huge market for drugs of all kinds, while Mexico has few opportunities for earning money. The result is as predictable as thunderstorms where a cold air mass meets a warm air mass. Poverty meets opportunity, with no effective governance. The result is extreme violence.

And the solution?

 

[Hobo1]

So, the violence on the US/Mexico border is a bi national problem. WRONG!

And the solution?

The problem is US citizens living in the US who are drug addicts and are able to pay big money to support their habit. The gangs are only a by-products or America's drug addiction.

The solution is first to legalize drugs - so we can control where the money goes. Second, science needs to do some serious research on how to break drug addiction..."Better living through chemistry".

In the meantime, we need to expose the massive drug addiction problem we have in the US and start to look for real answers. Stop blaming the gangs of Mexico for our problem. As long as you look South, you will never solve the problem that exists North of the border.

 

[PLC1]

The problem is US citizens living in the US who are drug addicts and are able to pay big money to support their habit. The gangs are only a by-products or America's drug addiction.

The solution is first to legalize drugs - so we can control where the money goes. Second, science needs to do some serious research on how to break drug addiction..."Better living through chemistry".

In the meantime, we need to expose the massive drug addiction problem we have in the US and start to look for real answers. Stop blaming the gangs of Mexico for our problem. As long as you look South, you will never solve the problem that exists North of the border.

Exactly. It is our "war on drugs", our astonishing numbers of addicts, our failure to look objectively at the drug problem that is fueling the drug wars. So, how does that make it not a bi national problem? Are you saying that the situation is entirely the fault of the United States?

 

[Hobo1]

Exactly. It is our "war on drugs", our astonishing numbers of addicts, our failure to look objectively at the drug problem that is fueling the drug wars. So, how does that make it not a bi national problem? Are you saying that the situation is entirely the fault of the United States?

Who is to blame? The pusher or the user. Both are criminals. But we are not talking about who is a criminal and who is legally at "fault". We are talking about how to stop gang violence.

And, as I said, if we truly want to solve this problem then we must focus on the addicts in the US. The problem doesn't originate, nor can it be solved in Mexico. Finding a solution to American's who are addicted to drugs can only be solved in the United States. If we solve that problem, then the gang violence in Mexico will wither on the vine and die.