Is homosexuality a choice or is it genetic?

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Is that your argument???

The constitution itself is irrelevant when compared to your pursuit of homosexual a$$???

No, my point was that your UDHR argument isn't rational, logical, or supported by what's written on the piece of paper, but if it was (which it's not) then it still wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on.

You in fact are the one who is ignoring the US Constitution and its "equal protection clause" so that you can continue to practice bigotry.
 
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The actual quote is "Tits on a boar", Nums, and as a person who has worked in agribusiness I can tell you that the number of tits on a boar is indicative of the number of tits that will be on the daughters he sires, this is important because with more tits the sow can suckle more piglets.

What this shows is that if you are poorly educated enough you won't understand the value of things properly.

LOL

Of course you would insist I was refering to boars, not bulls. With bulls, as in humans, your argument is irrelevant.

Are you even aware of the logical value of strawman arguments????

The first law of intelligent tinkering is: Save all the parts. So here we have the inestimable NUMS arguing for throwing away things that he doesn't think have value, when in fact he doesn't know diddly-squat about the value of the "genetic abnormalities" he wishes to dispose of. It's called hubris.

More strawman.

Pursue homosexual a$$ to your heart's content. Just don't call it a marriage.
 
The first law of intelligent tinkering is: Save all the parts. So here we have the inestimable NUMS arguing for throwing away things that he doesn't think have value, when in fact he doesn't know diddly-squat about the value of the "genetic abnormalities" he wishes to dispose of. It's called hubris.

An interesting idea that an intelligence might be behind the evolution of the human race and that to whatever degree TG or homosexuality may be genetic it might be a part of that plan.

John 9:1-7

I think there is a lesson in there for Christians on how they should be treating gay and TG persons.
 
You could say what's true: You don't know what causes people to be homosexual, you don't know if it has some kind of suvival value that you haven't recognized yet, and that until you do know all the facts you have decided to stop practicing your innate bigotry against them.

The fact is, nobody knows.

Why then, do you pretend that you do, eh?

No, prejudice is something that people practice against each other. The situations you outlined are simply circumstances that exist because of bad choices or even bad luck. Passing laws against a group of people you don't like in order to hurt them is prejudice--kind of like the Jim Crow laws against black people or the discriminatory ones against gay people.

Nonsense.

It is a prejudice that exists because of a particular social order. And the reason for the udhr is to correct this prejudice.

Duh?

Anyone who does the work has the right to help children--call it motherhood or something else--you are splitting hairs for the sake of argument.

Nonsense.

That is what you wish to change along with the definition of marriage. It has absolutely NO LOGICAL BASIS.

Right, now that's PREJUDICE. Single moms can't do it either then, can they?

Can you think of a way by which any lesbian can become a mother by a lesbian relationship?

I didn't think so.

No, you are a bigot because you parade your ignorance around with the intent of hurting those you dislike.

I must agree -- facts and logic may be hurtful to morons with dishonest agenda.

You said that the rights were based on the UDHR, which means that the rights did not exist before the UDHR gave them a basis to exist. Then you said they existed previously.

Nonsense.

Inalienable rights are inherent in the human person -- hence exist prior to the document formally declaring them.

Marital laws are obliged to conform with the principles declared therein. Clearly, gay marriages do not conform with the principles declared therein.

It has changed some in some places, but it's not in any way universal nor can it be proven that the UDHR was the cause of the changes. Women are still victimized all over the world.

All the more reason for the udhr to be universally adhered to.

Duh?

So what? Nobody has to pay attention to the UDHR any more than they have to obey the laws or obey the Bible, or the Koran. It's a piece of paper that you are using in a vain attempt to make an argument against people you don't like.

The concepts of human freedom and equality are also contained therein. The fact that you do not pay attention to it is precisely the reason you babble incessantly about these concepts incorrectly.

And baloney, no matter how thinnly sliced, is still baloney. Love is love, it's only people like you who throw up faux arguments to express your own hates and fears.

Nonsense.

there are different kinds of love. We are talking about conjugal love in this particular thread. Nothing in political philosophy purports to legislate conjugal love. As far as I'm concerned, only gay rhetoric is dumb enough to do this.

Duh?

You of course don't tell us upon WHAT it is contingent in your mind, but I will mention that ANYONE who wishes to have a baby is in a situation that is ENTIRELY contingent upon finding the resources to create, birth, and care for that baby. It's no different for any of us.

It is contingent on the discretion of the state -- whether the state sees it fit to allow a particular gay or straight couple to adopt a child.

Is that clear enough for you? Or are the gay rhetorics ringing in your head drowning logic?

You have it backwards actually, in any social situation you can simply ask the person in question, but from a biological context the mixing of primary and secondary sex characteristics makes it impossible to provide a scientific definition of male or female. Remember that as long as there are some things that don't fit into the theory, then that theory is either incomplete or is not correct. When you have a normal appearing and functioning male with the XX chromosome pattern that suggests that our understanding is incomplete.

Yikes.

Is there any biological context wherein a person with a functioning penis is a woman and vice versa????

Perhaps if you chop it off and sew a vagina in its place.....

Of course I did. I gave the link to Dr. Chappell's presentation and I have cited at least two other books based on peer reviewed journal papers.

Can you even distinguish between a scientific paper and news article????

The people doing the research say that the preponderance of evidence suggest a genetic basis, the twin studies alone make it almost impossible for it to lack a genetic component. It's much like many of the diseases that we know have a genetic component, but we haven't been able to tease out exactly what or where it is.

And the same people doing the research also admitted that their findings are awaiting independent verification. And the independent verification is about general behavior -- NOT HOMOSEXUALITY.

God you're so dense.

Rational people will wait till we know before we pass judgment.

Correct.

So, can we defer this gay nonsense till then?
 
No, my point was that your UDHR argument isn't rational, logical, or supported by what's written on the piece of paper, but if it was (which it's not) then it still wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on.

You in fact are the one who is ignoring the US Constitution and its "equal protection clause" so that you can continue to practice bigotry.

So, the document that gives the us government its powers is valid but the document that the same government binds the nation to isn't?

What patent nonsense!
 
An interesting idea that an intelligence might be behind the evolution of the human race and that to whatever degree TG or homosexuality may be genetic it might be a part of that plan.

John 9:1-7

I think there is a lesson in there for Christians on how they should be treating gay and TG persons.

Someone once suggested that gay people were put here by God to test Christian compassion.
 
Someone once suggested that gay people were put here by God to test Christian compassion.

Ha, I see no scriptural support for that particular statement but the net effect is the same. So yea, many many Christians are having their compassion tested and quite a number a failing.

Of course it does not help that so many call "bigot" when it fact there is just disagreement. How are they to know when they are being bigoted if the lines are blurred?
 
If I understand what you say about the way you interpret the Christian faith, Dr Who, Christians would be expected to fail the test of compassion, since they are only flawed human beings, but nonetheless, they should be making every effort to pass the test of compassion. Perhaps the heat of the discussion, along with the complexity of all apects of the issue, has caused all parties in the discussion to lose their awareness of the obligation to be as compassionate as possible.
 
I'm sorry but it binds the governments of the signatory nations to promulgate laws conforming to it.

You are correct, though. There are bullies within the un who would use un ga resolutions only when it suits them.

No it does not, a GA resolution has no binding authority in law. The UN openly spells that out. The Security Council is the only body that has any authority in terms of law.

GA resolutions are recommendations. Further, a "Declaration" of anything is not a legally binding document. It may surprise you but the Declaration of Independence is not even a legally binding document.
 
As I recall, the prc's entry to the world trade organization was contingent on the human rights issue.

Which they ignored, and we caved in on. China is a massive violator of human rights.

And as I recall, economic embargo is still a means by which nations are forced to abide by ga resolutions.

Who is carrying out an economic embargo to enforce a GA resolution that the Security Council has not weighed in as well?
 
Ha, I see no scriptural support for that particular statement but the net effect is the same. So yea, many many Christians are having their compassion tested and quite a number a failing.

Of course it does not help that so many call "bigot" when it fact there is just disagreement. How are they to know when they are being bigoted if the lines are blurred?

Are the lines blurred? Condemning someone in God's name, taking rights from them that you accept for your own, and discriminating against others because you have the numerical superiority to do so with impugnity, and doing all of this on the basis of something written in a book FOR WHICH YOU CANNOT PROVE THE VALIDITY is bigotry. Seems pretty clear, doesn't it?
 
The UDHR has no legal force on the US Government.

Of course it doesn't have legal force in the us. There can only be one sovereign within a political association. And the un charter recognizes this fundamental principle.

Are you saying that the us, being a signatory to the udhr, isn't obliged to adhere to its principles???? That the us isn't bound by its EXPLICIT consent????

Your arguments are descending into absurdity.
 
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No it does not, a GA resolution has no binding authority in law. The UN openly spells that out. The Security Council is the only body that has any authority in terms of law.

GA resolutions are recommendations. Further, a "Declaration" of anything is not a legally binding document. It may surprise you but the Declaration of Independence is not even a legally binding document.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Legal_effect

While not a treaty itself, the Declaration was explicitly adopted for the purpose of defining the meaning of the words "fundamental freedoms" and "human rights" appearing in the United Nations Charter, which is binding on all member states. For this reason, the Universal Declaration is a fundamental constitutive document of the United Nations. Many international lawyers, in addition, believe that the Declaration forms part of customary international law and is a powerful tool in applying diplomatic and moral pressure to governments that violate any of its articles. The 1968 United Nations International Conference on Human Rights advised that it "constitutes an obligation for the members of the international community" to all persons. The declaration has served as the foundation for two binding UN human rights covenants, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the principles of the Declaration are elaborated in international treaties such as the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, the International Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, the United Nations Convention Against Torture and many more. The Declaration continues to be widely cited by governments, academics, advocates and constitutional courts and individual human beings who appeal to its principles for the protection of their recognised human rights.

Is there any more doubt as to the binding nature of the udhr?
 
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