Is homosexuality a choice or is it genetic?

[9sublime]

So you are suggesting masturbation is harmful?

 

[Coyote]

So you are suggesting masturbation is harmful?

Don't you know it makes you blind?

 

[vyo476]

Harmful is a relative term isn't it? What you or I consider harmful may be entirely different things. The point is, if you are going to allow circular reasoning to suggest one form of aberrant behavior should be smiled upon and endorsed by the federal government, then you are going to have a very hard time arguing against the next group that wants their particular behavior endorsed as well.

Where do you draw the line and upon what grounds do you draw it?

There is no absolute when it comes to "aberrant" behavior. Without societal connotations, there is simply behavior; the "aberrant" part comes in with respect to societal norms. In one society, it may considered perfectly natural to have wild orgies even after becoming married; in another, any form of sexuality except the singular, mainstream variety is completely intolerable, and even that form is not discussed in any public way. In the first society, not getting in on the orgy is aberrant behavior; in the second, talking about a sexual experience is considered aberrant behavior.

So when we discuss whether or not this "aberrant behavior" is harmful, we might as well throw our societal norms out the window and talk straight - harmful would have a straight, literal definition. Here we go:

Harm: Physical injury or mental damage; hurt: to do him bodily harm.

So, does homosexuality cause mental damage? Does the existence and public tolerance of homosexual couples cause anyone to really be psychologically injured? The answer is no.

The same rings true of polygamy, which calls into question why we don't allow that, either.

Then we move into other forms of aberrant behavior - like pedophilia. Pedophilia does cause well-documented harm to the child who is the victim of the pedophile. Therefore, pedophilia should not be allowed.

On this basis there's no reason to deny homosexuals anything. Homosexuality is natural and it harms no one.

 

[9sublime]

Great post.

 

[jb_1430]

So you are suggesting masturbation is harmful?

What part of

Masturbation harms no one.

did you not understand?

 

[Reliant]

I say it is a choice but what sayest thou?

I simply cannot believe that anyone would make a conscious choice to be gay. That's just my feeling. When I look at the opposite sex I see opportunities, when I look at the same sex I see competition... just basic human instincts. So I believe something has messed with the basic instincts to cause someone to see the same sex as an opportunity. The only opportunity homosexuality could possibly offer mankind is extinction.

 

[palerider]

Don't you know it makes you blind?

I stopped when I just needed glasses

 

[palerider]

On this basis there's no reason to deny homosexuals anything. Homosexuality is natural and it harms no one.

There is research that shows that children of homosexual parents have more problems with sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents, and they have more problems socializing than children of hetero parents and as a result, are more prone to drug abuse, unsafe sexual practices, and suicide.

Add that onto the fact that the vast bulk of aids cases are the result of homosexual behavior and your case for homosexuality harming no one goes right out of the window.

 

[palerider]

I simply cannot believe that anyone would make a conscious choice to be gay. That's just my feeling. When I look at the opposite sex I see opportunities, when I look at the same sex I see competition... just basic human instincts. So I believe something has messed with the basic instincts to cause someone to see the same sex as an opportunity. The only opportunity homosexuality could possibly offer mankind is extinction.

The vast majority of those who are identified as gay are not true homosexuals but rather people who have made lifestyle choices. Less than 2% of the population are true homosexuals.

 

[palerider]

All this accusation of LIES.


Mare: exactly what lies has Pale told?

Very unfair of you, coyote, to ask mare to actually substantiate anyting she has said.

 

[BigRob]

There is research that shows that children of homosexual parents have more problems with sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents, and they have more problems socializing than children of hetero parents and as a result, are more prone to drug abuse, unsafe sexual practices, and suicide.

Add that onto the fact that the vast bulk of aids cases are the result of homosexual behavior and your case for homosexuality harming no one goes right out of the window.

Keep in mind there is just as much research that shows that this is not the case at all.

Also, alot of stats coming out against gay couples raising children lumps in kids in single households and other problems just to exaggerate any potential problems.

 

[palerider]

Sorry Rob. I am not the politically correct sort. I won't deny the truth simply because it may hurt some feelings. The fact is that traditional families are the best environment for children and the further away from that environment kids get, the more likely they are to develop problems and the further away from that environment they get, the more severe those problems are likely to be.

 

[BigRob]

Sorry Rob. I am not the politically correct sort. I won't deny the truth simply because it may hurt some feelings. The fact is that traditional families are the best environment for children and the further away from that environment kids get, the more likely they are to develop problems and the further away from that environment they get, the more severe those problems are likely to be.

PC or not, depending on the data you look at the truth is the exact opposite of what you just said. I am not disagreeing with you, just pointing out the potential problems with that argument you are making.

Most experts seem to agree that its just the love of the parents that matter in the child's growth and not the fact that they are gay or lesbian. Obviously you can find the exception, however, there are just as many children growing up in "normal" homes who come out confused and messed up, so it does not really get you anywhere to argue this point, because data does not really back up the claim. (At least not in the ways the surveys are done now)

 

[palerider]

PC or not, depending on the data you look at the truth is the exact opposite of what you just said. I am not disagreeing with you, just pointing out the potential problems with that argument you are making.[/quote[

As more and more homosexuals become parents, the data will fill out and patterns will become more clear. Eventually the facts will overcome political correctness.

Most experts seem to agree that its just the love of the parents that matter in the child's growth and not the fact that they are gay or lesbian. Obviously you can find the exception, however, there are just as many children growing up in "normal" homes who come out confused and messed up, so it does not really get you anywhere to argue this point, because data does not really back up the claim. (At least not in the ways the surveys are done now)

Which experts? The new age, touchy feeley variety or those who operate on fact?

And as a percentage of their relative populations, just as many children from "normal" homes don't have the problems that kids in non traditional familes have.

The whole point of my comment was to illustrate that the claim that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone is simply not true.

 

[BigRob]

PC or not, depending on the data you look at the truth is the exact opposite of what you just said. I am not disagreeing with you, just pointing out the potential problems with that argument you are making.[/quote[

As more and more homosexuals become parents, the data will fill out and patterns will become more clear. Eventually the facts will overcome political correctness.



Which experts? The new age, touchy feeley variety or those who operate on fact?

And as a percentage of their relative populations, just as many children from "normal" homes don't have the problems that kids in non traditional familes have.

The whole point of my comment was to illustrate that the claim that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone is simply not true.

You are aware that gay marriage is legal in something like 25 other countries around the world, and has been for 25 plus years. The info is not coming out of these countries backing up that claim, what would make it different about here?