Is homosexuality a choice or is it genetic?

[palerider]

I didn't know that - interesting!

There is a reason you didn't know it. It isn't true. In Sparta for instance, pederasty was punishible by death. Homosexual behavior has been accepted in many cultures, but there is no record of homosexual marriage being part of any culture.

I certainly invite TVonBrainOff to provide reference to some credible history that suggests otherwise. There are plenty of references to the countries that he has listed if you do a google search, but I can find none that reference any credible material.

 

[Coyote]

There is a reason you didn't know it. It isn't true. In Sparta for instance, pederasty was punishible by death. Homosexual behavior has been accepted in many cultures, but there is no record of homosexual marriage being part of any culture.

I certainly invite TVonBrainOff to provide reference to some credible history that suggests otherwise. There are plenty of references to the countries that he has listed if you do a google search, but I can find none that reference any credible material.

I looked out of curiousity and actually found some references:

http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/marriage.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

 

[numinus]

I believe that you have just supplied one of the most unabashedly honest self-evaluations that I have ever had the good fortune to read. Thank you.

You can use the word 'honest' in a sentence!

How ironic!

 

[numinus]

Your group already has special rights. You can marry exclusively tall, sexy blue eyed big busted blonds if that is what turns you on. That is your special right to satisfy your [hetero]sexual preference.

How many times do I have to post this before you give yourself leave to understand?

LMAO.

There is a RIGHT to satisfy a particular sexual preference!?

How does that work - you can sue your partner for not giving good head?!

LMAO some more.

 

[palerider]

I looked out of curiousity and actually found some references:

http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/marriage.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

Interesting, but not evidence of same sex marriage. They certainly describe acceptance of same sex relationships, but wrongly call them marriages. Some of the references point to other web sites and some point to books that I can't find referenced anywhere. (self published for this explicit purpose perhaps)

I never made the claim that same sex relationships were not accepted, but marriage? Provide some credible history.

 

[TVoffBrainOn]

Interesting, but not evidence of same sex marriage. They certainly describe acceptance of same sex relationships, but wrongly call them marriages. Some of the references point to other web sites and some point to books that I can't find referenced anywhere. (self published for this explicit purpose perhaps)

I never made the claim that same sex relationships were not accepted, but marriage? Provide some credible history.

impossible, your definition of credible history is history that supports your opinion.

 

[Coyote]

Interesting, but not evidence of same sex marriage. They certainly describe acceptance of same sex relationships, but wrongly call them marriages. Some of the references point to other web sites and some point to books that I can't find referenced anywhere. (self published for this explicit purpose perhaps)

I never made the claim that same sex relationships were not accepted, but marriage? Provide some credible history.

Why do you say "wrongly called" marriages?

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You can use the word 'honest' in a sentence!

How ironic!

Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word before you think it's ironic that I use it.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

I didn't know that - interesting!

In Elizabethan England there were 4 genders recognized, men, women, Mollies, and Tommies. We have retained the term "Tomboy" derived from Tommies because it's acceptable for a female to be somewhat masculine, especially early in life. The Mollies were feminine men, which is anathema these days--just read Pale's posts--so that term was dropped. Nowadays the people paying attention know that there is a difference between homosexuality and transsexuality, something not realized in days gone by. The gay bashers have been writing history for so long that they have come to believe their own propaganda, but the truth is that in many, many cultures gay and trans people were completely accepted. It was the partriarchal cultures and desert religions that changed the landscape and edited history to make us disappear. Most indigenous cultures never did have a problem with gay or trans people. Neither did any of the Goddess religions about which I have read. This editing of history is also prominent in the "acceptable" scientific literature, any reference to homosexual behaviors in animals is verboten in schools, so kids grow up believing that homosexual activity is an evil lifestyle choice when in fact it's just another natural variation in the behavior patterns found in animals on this planet.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

LMAO.

There is a RIGHT to satisfy a particular sexual preference!?

How does that work - you can sue your partner for not giving good head?!

LMAO some more.

What is truly ironic is that you can give me grief for using the word "honest" and then post this kind of nonsense.

Do you find women sexually attractive? Can you marry a member of the gender you find attractive--if they're willing? Then you have a "special right" that is denied to homosexual people. They are not allowed, by law, to marry the people they find attractive. You are enjoying a right that you wish to deny to others, that's a "special right".

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

impossible, your definition of credible history is history that supports your opinion.

That IS part of the problem, the Pales of the world have been rewriting history for so long to make it reflect their version of reality that it's difficult to find the truth. Why have invaders so commonly destroyed the writings of the places they have conquered, so that the victors can write history to support their positions.

Read A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES by Howard Zinn and he will rub your nose in this country's historical revisionism.

 

[palerider]

That IS part of the problem, the Pales of the world have been rewriting history for so long to make it reflect their version of reality that it's difficult to find the truth.

You are rediculous. You say whatever you feel like you need to say to make your point. If it needs misunderstood biology, you make it up. If it needs twisted philosophy, you make it up. If it is a blatant lie, you make it up. You have no room to suggest that anyone and I mean ANYONE is guilty of rewriting anything. You have been rewriting everything from history to my own posts since you got here.

 

[palerider]

Why do you say "wrongly called" marriages?

For the simple reason, coyote, that marriage is what it is. If you have access to an Oxford English Dictionary, look up the word and follow it back to its earliest days in cultures that span the earth.

It is what it is.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

You are rediculous. You say whatever you feel like you need to say to make your point. If it needs misunderstood biology, you make it up. If it needs twisted philosophy, you make it up. If it is a blatant lie, you make it up. You have no room to suggest that anyone and I mean ANYONE is guilty of rewriting anything. You have been rewriting everything from history to my own posts since you got here.

At least I can spell "ridiculous". The "liar, liar" defense is getting pretty old, Pale, it's beginning to pale, I guess you could say. I gather you disagree with what I wrote, but since you didn't give any examples or refutation, but just bleated like one of the sheeple, I suppose I'll just have to ignore you with dignity.

 

[Mare Tranquillity]

For the simple reason, coyote, that marriage is what it is. If you have access to an Oxford English Dictionary, look up the word and follow it back to its earliest days in cultures that span the earth.
It is what it is.

I assume that the truly important thing is that nothing ever change so that small minded people will feel safe. You must have hated it when women were finally allowed to own property in the US. And vote, oh my God! Democracies in the past NEVER let women vote, so we can't either.

If you look back over human history you'll find that democracies are pretty rare too, while kingdoms, fiefdoms, and feudalism have been very common, is that a reason to disband our form of government? Babies have very commonly been throw-away people, especially female babies, in human culture, but you don't seem to be advocating that.

Why the hate and hypocrisy, Pale? You claim you're not Catholic, so what the Hell IS wrong with you? Maybe the ol' neck is getting a trifle erubescent? Brow a little low? What possible difference does it make to a famous scientist like yourself if gay people get married? You act like God will reduce YOUR personal share of Heaven.