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dogtowner said:
Her economic policy is more of the same crap BO gave us which has shown to be an epic fail.
Einstein said trying something over and over and expecting a different result is insane.
We need better
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Considering that Obama had to dig us out of the hole Bush created, and then trying to work with a Congress that fought everything he tried, it is a wonder that the economy is as good as it is. But hell, you would never give him credit for the good he has done. Your lack of principles, and integrity, won't allow you to. Of course, I know you know more then Forbes does since you are such an intellectual "giant":

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhar...bama-be-americas-best-president/#db9810531bfd

Although we hear almost no one in the Obama administration taking credit for record index highs, they should. Because the President deserves attention for how well this economy has done during his leadership.

The auto rescue plan has worked. American car manufacturers are still dominant and employing millions directly and in supplier companies. Wall Street reform has been painful but it has re-instated faith amongst investors. The markets are far more predictable than they were four years ago, as VIX numbers demonstrate greater faith and less risk.

Even for small investors, such as those limited to their 401(k) or IRA investments, the average annual compound return on stocks under President Obama has been more than 24% since the lows of March, 2009. This is a better result than either Clinton, Reagan or FDR – who were the prior winners in our book.

Q- Bob, what policies do you think were most important toward achieving today’s new highs?

BBBB – Firstly, let’s review just how bad things were in 2009. In 2000 America was completing the longest bull market in history. But by the end of President Bush’s tenure the country had witnessed 2 stock market crashes, and the DJIA had fallen 58%. This was the second worst market decline in history (exceeded only by the Great Depression,) and hence the term “Great Recession” was born.

In 2000, at the end of Clinton’s administration, the Consumer Confidence Index was at a record high 140. By January, 2009 this index had fallen to an historic low of 25.3. Comparatively, when Reagan took office at the end of the economically weak Carter years the Confidence Index was still at 74.4! Today this measure of how people feel about the country is still nowhere near 2000 levels, but it is almost 3 times better than 4 years ago.

Significantly, in 2000 America had a budget surplus. By 2009 surpluses were long gone and the country was racking up historic deficits as taxes were cut while simultaneously outlays for defense skyrocketed to cover costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Additionally, banks were on the edge of failing due to unregulated real estate speculation and massive derivative losses.
 
Yawn...
"Surplus" came from the dot Com boom that went bust (as predicted), corporate hijinks Ala enron who cooked it's books Ala clinton another bust and Muslims flew airplane into buildings for good measure
Dow: if you give billionaires a trillion a year to play with the Dow will go up (and down as we see whenever they hint at dialing it back) which makes the rich much richer and everyone else not. Oh and we gave just printed money for this since China said no more debt fir that.
Auto bailout: saved jobs ? Tell that to the tens of thousands that were allowed to go to Canada as a part of the deal. And lets not forget all those dealerships that lost their franchises and the unemployment as a result. Dominant ? Toyota is #1. Did it do what it intended ? Yes. The union got bailed out after spending on political campaigns left them insolvent but it raped all the investors by rendering their stock worthless. This is why there had to be the hostile takeover before the bankruptcy. None of the problems were corrected as bankruptcy is intended to do.
And obamacare is crumbling as predicted.
 
dogtowner said:
Yawn...
"Surplus" came from the dot Com boom that went bust (as predicted), corporate hijinks Ala enron who cooked it's books Ala clinton another bust and Muslims flew airplane into buildings for good measure
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There was still a "surplus" no matter how you try to phrase it, and the airplanes were flown in to the Twin Towers under Bush's watch.

Dow: if you give billionaires a trillion a year to play with the Dow will go up (and down as we see whenever they hint at dialing it back) which makes the rich much richer and everyone else not. Oh and we gave just printed money for this since China said no more debt fir that.
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Again, part of the Bush plan. Make the middle class poorer, and then "bail out" the wealthy.

Auto bailout: saved jobs ? Tell that to the tens of thousands that were allowed to go to Canada as a part of the deal. And lets not forget all those dealerships that lost their franchises and the unemployment as a result. Dominant ? Toyota is #1. Did it do what it intended ? Yes. The union got bailed out after spending on political campaigns left them insolvent but it raped all the investors by rendering their stock worthless. This is why there had to be the hostile takeover before the bankruptcy. None of the problems were corrected as bankruptcy is intended to do.
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Yes, ignore the end result. Just as you want to ignore the massive flight of corparations out of the country after Bush gave China permanent membership in the WTO.

And obamacare is crumbling as predicted.
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And so is the Medicare Part D program of the Republicans. Problem is that in order for the ACA to work all have to join in. As of now most States controlled by Republicans will not join since they wanted to get Obama out, and their citizens are suffering. Ever wonder why we have laws mandating auto insurance?
 
Old_Trapper70 said:
There was still a "surplus" no matter how you try to phrase it, and the airplanes were flown in to the Twin Towers under Bush's watch.
Because OBL was left alive to plan them.


Again, part of the Bush plan. Make the middle class poorer, and then "bail out" the wealthy.
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Bush stopped being president 8 yes ago.


Yes, ignore the end result. Just as you want to ignore the massive flight of corparations out of the country after Bush gave China permanent membership in the WTO.
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And companies didn't takeep operations elsewhere until that time.
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The rest of the world became better educated while we went the other way. Thanks NEA.

And so is the Medicare Part D program of the Republicans. Problem is that in order for the ACA to work all have to join in. As of now most States controlled by Republicans will not join since they wanted to get Obama out, and their citizens are suffering. Ever wonder why we have laws mandating auto insurance?
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Medicare d was/is a disaster.
No state is excluded as every one had use of uncle bos. The only thing states h ad a say in was expanded medicaid. As they would end up holding the bag c after two years it's not surprising many said nope.
But that doesn't make ocare collapse, preexisting does as it did in Mass and HI. The young and healthy have no incentive to buy and without them it cannot work. And everyone knows this. And behold enrollment is off 50% this year.
Epic predictab l e and predicted fail.
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Old_Trapper70 said:
Considering that Obama had to dig us out of the hole Bush created,
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Bush's treasury secretary is in bed with Hillary! lol

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...llarys-globalist-platform-reason-endorsement/

and then trying to work with a Congress that fought everything he tried,
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Obama had a Democratic Congress when he first became president.

it is a wonder that the economy is as good as it is.
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Stop lying. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432688/president-obamas-economy-slow-recovery

But hell, you would never give him credit for the good he has done.
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Credit for this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/business/income-gap-grows-wider-and-faster.html?ref=business&_r=0 ???

Your lack of principles, and integrity, won't allow you to.
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Speaking of a lack of integrity, how come you - supposedly a supporter of the Constitution Party - loves Obama so much?! lol

Of course, I know you know more then Forbes does since you are such an intellectual "giant":
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More from Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2014/02/25/is-obamacare-an-economic-disaster/#2b198093509b

Even for small investors, such as those limited to their 401(k) or IRA investments, the average annual compound return on stocks under President Obama has been more than 24% since the lows of March, 2009.
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The whole problem is the rich people are getting richer due to financial speculation, while the real economy and job growth falters.

Significantly, in 2000 America had a budget surplus. By 2009 surpluses were long gone and the country was racking up historic deficits
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You definitely should not have brought up the deficit.

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outlays for defense skyrocketed to cover costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Thank Obama for escalation and massive spending in Afghanistan.

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Additionally, banks were on the edge of failing due to unregulated real estate speculation and massive derivative losses.
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Remember the role of Democrats. Another article from Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/13/ho...ibutors_0216_peter_wallison_edward_pinto.html

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Low information voters adore Hillary and her lies. The real Hillary buttresses the status quo and serves the 1%.
 
dogtowner said:
Bush stopped being president 8 yes ago.
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And Kennedy ended longer then that yet you feel his policies were important, and yet the policies of Bush were not

And companies didn't takeep operations elsewhere until that time.
Sigh...
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Being stupid again I see. Companies have been doing business overseas for generations. However, the massive movement did not occur until Bush.

The rest of the world became better educated while we went the other way. Thanks NEA.
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And yet the rest of the world comes here to be educated. And the problem is not entirely the NEA, it is the parent who does not pay attention, or get involved
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No state is excluded as every one had use of uncle bos. The only thing states h ad a say in was expanded medicaid. As they would end up holding the bag c after two years it's not surprising many said nope.
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They said no hoping to collapse ACA. However, even that is changing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...19a7d0-7da0-11e5-b575-d8dcfedb4ea1_story.html

But that doesn't make ocare collapse, preexisting does as it did in Mass and HI. The young and healthy have no incentive to buy and without them it cannot work. And everyone knows this. And behold enrollment is off 50% this year.
Epic predictab l e and predicted fail.
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Wrong again:

http://kff.org/health-reform/press-...n-ups-14-7-million-enrollees-after-attrition/
 
Old_Trapper70 said:
And Kennedy ended longer then that yet you feel his policies were important, and yet the policies of Bush were not


Being stupid again I see. Companies have been doing business overseas for generations. However, the massive movement did not occur until Bush.



And yet the rest of the world comes here to be educated. And the problem is not entirely the NEA, it is the parent who does not pay attention, or get involved
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They said no hoping to collapse ACA. However, even that is changing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...19a7d0-7da0-11e5-b575-d8dcfedb4ea1_story.html



Wrong again:

http://kff.org/health-reform/press-...n-ups-14-7-million-enrollees-after-attrition/
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Could grow... who knows but we do know that it IS shrinking at this time. As predicted.
 
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dogtowner said:
First sentence I saw said "could"
Why do you ignore what IS ?
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It is this kind of idiocy that prompted me to quit responding to the idiots hammerhead, and Palerider. YOU said it was declining in 2016 (that is this year) by 50%. Kaiser, who I assume knows a hell of lot more then you, says it increased this year (and, in case you didn't notice the enrollment period is over till next year).

Now, the word that caught your limited attention is in this sentence : could continue to grow modestly over the next few years to 16.3 million (up 28%).

Now, can you see your error, or should I put a napkin under your chin, and feed it to you letter by letter?
 
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