I'd like to see a breakdown of where taxes went.

[pocketfullofshells]

Something I have been saying for quite awhile actually. Makes me wonder how much of my share went to rebuild schools and roads in Iraq, when my community struggles to pay for both.

why do you hate america?

I mean hell in my state we had our bridge actuly fall down, drove over the new one actually 2 nights ago.

 

[BigRob]

Andy, you might not want or need it but what about all those people in poverty who do?

And beforte you bang on about them being in a self inflicted situation consider that many of them are black and have been impoverished by the institutional racism in the US.
And if you get born into a poor single parent family there is almost no chance that you will break out of poverty.

I bet you are a good chrsitian who really cares for his fellow man.

Unless of course that means getting your hand in your pocket to help him.

Funny how you seem happy for your tax dollars to be spent killing Iraqis but not helping your own countrymen.

I can give my own money through my own free will to causes that I choose to support. I do not need the government to mandate that I fund the existence of program that helps nothing.

If you are homeless and I pass you on the street, odds are I will buy you lunch. That is my choice. Government calling these shots takes away my ability to do what I want with the money I earned.

 

[Bunz]

The difference though, is that the Iraq community already paid for schools and roads, and likely paid a much higher price, both in being abused by a tyrannical dictator, and with higher fees and prices from an oppressive government.

So, not only do we have to pay the cost of destroying it, we also have to pay for rebuilding it...thats not something I want my tax dollars to go for.

That's opposed to Alaska where the population get's a free hand out from the state government every year.

You might want to read up on exactly how that system works. But either way, we all pay taxes on that income...to buy more bombs and books for the Iraqi kids.

Their community struggled much more than yours.

You dont know that.

What's more interesting to me, is that congress stuck in a special expenditures for things not even related to either Iraq or construction. $415 Million went to Walter Reed. That's a government run hospital that was in such bad shape, it made national headlines, and of course politics makes it a priority.

Wait a minute here Andy,
You mean to tell me that getting a military hospital back into the proper shape has nothing to do with Iraq? Where do you think the guys being treated there are getting hurt?

Can't wait for that same socialist system to be effecting all hospitals. Socialism... it always fails.

Socialism seems to be doing alright in Alaska. Love them Gubment munnies

Also, there's another $112 Million for California. Just... California. No qualifiers. Looks like a political kick back to me. Why would they randomly have $112 million set aside for California in a bill on construction in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Dunno, good chance that it is some sort of re-imbursment or PILT money from expenditures that California and a number of other states incur with high military presence.

 

[Bunz]

why do you hate america?

I mean hell in my state we had our bridge actuly fall down, drove over the new one actually 2 nights ago.

Your bridge fell down? We cant even get a bridge here! The people of Ketchikan(4th biggest city in AK) have to take a ferry to get to the airport.

The school kids in South Naknek have to fly 3 miles across the Naknek river twice a day to attend classes.

Many communities cant even bond for school improvements right now because of the credit crunch.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I can give my own money through my own free will to causes that I choose to support. I do not need the government to mandate that I fund the existence of program that helps nothing.

If you are homeless and I pass you on the street, odds are I will buy you lunch. That is my choice. Government calling these shots takes away my ability to do what I want with the money I earned.

And how do you decide what causes most need money?

Even if your ludicrously naive argument were accurate it would mean that popular causes would get cash and unpopular ones wouldn't.

And buying someone lunch in the street is not going to solve the massive healthcare problem you have in the US.

Go on admit it, you hate the idea of paying a little more in tax so that all of your fellow countrymen can get free healthcare don't you?

You think it is evil commie left pinko bedwetting evil don't you?

Well people lucky enough to be born on the right side of the tracks often do because they are nasty selfish pieces of work who hide behind the false rhetoric of 'charitable donations'.

Look at me aren't I great giving to save the cute little doggie.

 

[BigRob]

And how do you decide what causes most need money?

I do not care what cause needs money. I choose to give my money to the causes I like.

Even if your ludicrously naive argument were accurate it would mean that popular causes would get cash and unpopular ones wouldn't.

And buying someone lunch in the street is not going to solve the massive healthcare problem you have in the US.

Guess what Dawkins, if you have no healthcare in the United States, you can go to an ER at any public hospital and they are bound by law to see you. It is a federal law.

Go on admit it, you hate the idea of paying a little more in tax so that all of your fellow countrymen can get free healthcare don't you?

I have no doubt I pay more in tax than you ever will, but the fact remains, there is no such thing as free healthcare. And yes, I hate the idea that the government decides what I can and cannot do with the money that I earned.

You think it is evil commie left pinko bedwetting evil don't you?

What I think is that reading this statement wasted 2 seconds of my life.

Well people lucky enough to be born on the right side of the tracks often do because they are nasty selfish pieces of work who hide behind the false rhetoric of 'charitable donations'.

Look at me aren't I great giving to save the cute little doggie.

I could care less about a "little doggie." That is not what I give money to, but you are more than welcome to think whatever you like, I really do not care.

I know it must be hard for you when people tell you that you are not entitled to the world, you have to actually go out and work for it, but tough luck, such is life.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

''I do not care what cause needs money. I choose to give my money to the causes I like''.

And that is why the Government has to take the money in taxation.

Beautifully argued BigRob..

You have no idea what I earn and or pay in tax.

So your wishful assertion that you pay more than me is pretty childish.

What you don't seem to understand or should I say don't want to understand is that you are one of the lucky ones born into a white middle class family in the west.

Unfortunately you are extremely selfish and don't want to help those who were not so lucky.

You are a fan of a war based on a lie where hundreds of thousands are being killed.

Because it is not you in the firing line.

You are a fan of the death penalty even tough you know it will take innocent life. Because you know it is very unlikely to be your middle class white life that is wrongfully taken.

I could go on but you embody just about everything that is wrong with America.

Thankfully your neocon views are being rejected more and more.

 

[chestnut]

I think we all pay enough taxes to take care of the sick and needy. Honestly, I don't know how much more we are supposed to give up. When is it ever going to be enough.

The problem is that the producers are not giving, it is the mis management of what is given. That's why I said I wanted to see a break down. Then we would know how much is squandered on B.S. pork projects, like $4000.00 toilet seats and so on.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

How did you get to be so gullible???

If your leaders hadn't declared illegal war on Iraq and Afghanistan you could have had free healthcare for all with no tax increases.

If your leaders halved their spending on weapons they could feed the world.

That is where your money is being wasted. Killing huge numbers of innocent people.

So why don't you do something about that instead of basing your decisions on half witted propaganda stories like your example of the toilet seat?

 

[chestnut]

What makes you think I need or want anything for free. I don't need or want the government to take care of me. I don't want the government to decide what health-care is right for me. I don't want them to decide I didn't give enough of my hard earned money away. I don't need them to determine where my children go to school. They only need to protect the United States and its citizens from foreign enemies/terrorist and criminals. I don't need them to save for my retirement.. I am man enough to plan that for myself. If I'm not then I should be left to my demise. Hell, all the money being paid into social security will never be seen by the next generation... who rightfully deserves it. They should stop taking now, knowing, full and well it won't be there by the time I'm old enough to retire. That way, I can put it way in a safe place and not have it squandered.

If you are a flippin panzy and can't figure out how to plan for your retirmenet.. that's tough crap. I don't care. It's because of the low lifes that didn't have the balls to do the right things that the government felt like they had to take it for them.

Beleive it or not, most Americans love the freedom of making choices for themselves. Government needs to butt out. If they just shut their big pie holes and quit mandating how much the wealthy ("which is I guess anyone not poor") is not doing enough. Screw that!! That is a crock of horse maneur!!!!!!!!!

What I need is to be left alone to live my life according my beleifs and not get my wallet raped.

I will not sell out just to get something for free. That's why America is in this mess. So many people just want it for free, and I mean the one's that are capable of producing. They don't want to take any responsibility for themselves. When has Barrack Obama or the dems in congress said that its time for non - tax payers to give more. "NEVER" . The takers ... once they start getting, they keep getting, and do whatever it takes to keep getting, no matter how many people they take it from or no matter how much more work they have to do to provide them their "lifestyle".

Burdening one group of people for the benefit of another group of people is plain wrong.

Understand, this is not about those that are truly helpless.... this is about those that can and refuse to do something for themselves... They want the easy way out, and want to ride someone esles coat tails.

The only thing the dems do is say to the one's who have been supporting (producers) the free loading, baby factory, pot smoking, beer drinking, fast food eating group, buy a new cell phone before feeding their familes is.....

WE NEED YOU TO DO MORE. Why can't everyone do more. Why can't the single mom's stop having kids.. when they can't afford them?

If anything, the poor, should be thanking the producers for doing so much for so long and quit their *****ing. The illegals

Again, we pay enough in taxes (by the time you count local and federal) about 50% of what we make into either state or government taxes.
If the one's capable of producing .. started producing... then there would not be a need for the government to 'STEAL' more money.

When is it time for those who have the capability to produce and dont produce to get off the government payroll, and go out in the world, and do something other than ask for freakin' hand out?

Enough is enough.

 

[BigRob]

And that is why the Government has to take the money in taxation.

Because they spend it better than me? Government programs never actually work.

Beautifully argued BigRob..

I know.

You have no idea what I earn and or pay in tax

So your wishful assertion that you pay more than me is pretty childish.

I will bet on it if you like.

What you don't seem to understand or should I say don't want to understand is that you are one of the lucky ones born into a white middle class family in the west.

I thought making unknown accusations was childish? Do you want me to apologize for being successful? I will not do it.

Unfortunately you are extremely selfish and don't want to help those who were not so lucky.

Not sure what about giving money to charities is selfish.

You are a fan of a war based on a lie where hundreds of thousands are being killed.

Because it is not you in the firing line.

Not sure what this has to do with tax.

You are a fan of the death penalty even tough you know it will take innocent life. Because you know it is very unlikely to be your middle class white life that is wrongfully taken.

Again, not related to taxes.

I could go on but you embody just about everything that is wrong with America.

Thankfully your neocon views are being rejected more and more.

Please go on... so far all you do is argue unrelated issues. I do not much care if you do not like me, or what you think of my opinions. You hate success, and I do not.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

My dad'd bigger than your dad.

You still avoid the point that the biggest influence in your success is where and to who you were born.

If Bill Gates had been born in Congo do you really think he would now be the richest man in the world?

And if you are successful it must have come from a lottery ticket as you are not very bright.

 

[chestnut]

My dad'd bigger than your dad.

You still avoid the point that the biggest influence in your success is where and to who you were born.

If Bill Gates had been born in Congo do you really think he would now be the richest man in the world?

And if you are successful it must have come from a lottery ticket as you are not very bright.

There are examples of countless people, whose stories have been written, that went against all the odds , did not quit and give up, and made something of themselves.
It doesn't happen by whining and blaiming, it happens by work, perseverance, dedication.
They did not make excuses. They just did it.


That's what makes this country great, and many libs and dems don't even want to admit it.

No matter what your background our circumstance. No matter what... This country is the land of opportunity and anything is possible.

People have to quit be so afraid of working hard and get out there and do it.

Just ask your fearless leader Obama. Isnt' that his story?

Obama was born in Kenya, in a village.. a 3rd world nation and now what. He's the President. Obama has told the same story you are trying to make a point of. He was born poor and black, and not in the lap of luxury. Isn't that why so many tears were flowing on the inauguration?

Let's get real here.

 

[BigRob]

My dad'd bigger than your dad.

Ok.

You still avoid the point that the biggest influence in your success is where and to who you were born.

If Bill Gates had been born in Congo do you really think he would now be the richest man in the world?

As pointed out above, Obama is the story you claim cannot happen. Please explain.

And if you are successful it must have come from a lottery ticket as you are not very bright.

 

[Bunz]

Chestnut,
Instead of screaming your personal virtues while blasting anyone else who disagrees with you, finding a breakdown isnt all that difficult. It took me about 1 minute and I have the equivalent of a dial up connection. If you are so self reliant, do your homework. But because I already took the now three minutes of my life to help you. Here is a good link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2008spendingbycategory.png