USMC the Almighty
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A nobler cause would be one that actually helps people. I wholeheartedly support going into Darfur and any other place where there is genocide or very poor living conditions. But that's not what my argument or the thread is about. It's about leaving Iraq right now because we're accomplishing nothing there.
We are helping people in Iraq. We freed people from an oppressive government.
I find it interesting that you "wholeheartedly support going into Darfur" and other places of genocide where we have no interests, but are against the Iraq War where we both (1) have interests and (2) are helping free people (including preventing genocide).
By the way, here's a civilian body count so far:
Minimum civilians killed: 55664 Max. civilians killed: 61369
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
First, it is impossible to get an accurate body count because there are no definitive lines between civilians and soldiers. If I'm walking down the street and someone starts shooting at me from a window, and I throw a grenade into the building and kill him, is that a civilian?
Second, who does this website claim is responsible for the deaths of these "civilians"?
How am I enabling the enemy?
There are a number of reasons.
(1) Believe or not, terrorist and terrorist sympathizers read American newspapers, blogs, message boards, etc. and use stuff like this as propaganda for both recruiting new sucicide terrorists and for inspiring the current terrorists to continue fighting.
(2) As I noted somewhere else here, the terrorists aren't trying to defeat us militarily -- they know they can't and that's why they utilize guerilla tactics. However, they can force us to pull out by prolonging the war and forcing the boisterous American public and biased media to pressure the politicians into surrendering and retreating. Coinciding with the growing anti-war sentiment is growing inspiration for the terrorists as they are seeing that American doesn't have the stomach or will, to fight wars on foreign soil.
(3) They also use American retreats as propaganda for recruiting new terrorists. See Clinton and the mishandling of Somalia in 1993, where Osama bin Laden told a reporter that his terrorist fighters were:
"They were stunned when they discovered how low was the morale of the American soldier. America had entered with 30,000 soldiers in addition to thousands of soldiers from different countries in the world. ... As I said, our boys were shocked by the low morale of the American soldier and they realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger. He was unable to endure the strikes that were dealt to his army..."
Once again I don't care if I offend you or anyone else. And by the way, have you served in the military? I'm just wondering.
You have your First Amendment right to speech. We also have the First Amendment right to tell you that you're wrong and giving comfort to the enemy.
And how is her military status relevant?