"if" being the key. they dont have our issues as they would not tolerate them being allowed to develope.
its also easy to have a safety net when little used. i wonder how many unemployable arabs immigrate to switzerland as opposed to france ?
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"if" being the key. they dont have our issues as they would not tolerate them being allowed to develope.
its also easy to have a safety net when little used. i wonder how many unemployable arabs immigrate to switzerland as opposed to france ?
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To this day, every male, when he turns 20, is issued a full automatic military rifle and required to keep it at home. Universal service in the Militia Army is required. When a Swiss is no longer required to serve, he may keep his rifle (converted from automatic to semi-automatic) or his pistol (if he served as an officer).
American Founding Fathers such as John Adams and Patrick Henry greatly admired the Swiss militia, which helped inspire the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution — the preference for a "well regulated militia" as "necessary for the security of a free state," and the guarantee of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Late in the 19th century, the American military sent observers to Switzerland in hopes of emulating the Swiss shooting culture.
The American Founders also admired Switzerland's decentralized system of government. Switzerland is a confederation in which the federal government has strictly defined and limited powers, and the cantons, even more so than American states, have the main powers to legislate. The citizens often exercise direct democracy, in the form of the initiative and the referendum. The late political scientist Gianfranco Miglio said the Swiss enjoyed the "last, real federalism in the world," as opposed to the "false and/or deteriorated" federalism of Germany or America.
For centuries, the Swiss cantons had no restrictions on keeping and bearing arms, though every male was required to provide himself with arms for militia service. By the latter part of the 20th century, some cantons required licenses to carry pistols, imposed fees for the acquisition of certain firearms (which could be evaded by buying them in other cantons), and imposed other restrictions — albeit never interfering with the ever-present shooting matches.
In other cantons — usually those with the lowest crime rates — one did not need a police permit for carrying a pistol or for buying a semiautomatic, lookalike Kalashnikov rifle. A permit was necessary only for a non-militia machine gun. Silencers or noise suppressors were unrestricted. Indeed, the Swiss federal government sold to civilian collectors all manner of military surplus, including antiaircraft guns, cannon, and machine guns.
In 1996, the Swiss people voted to allow the federal government to legislate concerning firearms, and to prohibit the cantons from regulating firearms. Some who favored more restrictions (as in other European countries) saw this as a way to pass gun-control laws at the federal level; those who objected to restrictions in some cantons saw it as a way to preempt cantonal regulation, such as the former requirement in Geneva of a permit for an air gun.
The result is a federal firearms law that imposes certain restrictions, but leaves virtually untouched the ability of citizens to possess Swiss military firearms, and to participate incompetitions all over the country.
American Founding Fathers such as John Adams and Patrick Henry greatly admired the Swiss militia, which helped inspire the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution — the preference for a "well regulated militia" as "necessary for the security of a free state," and the guarantee of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Late in the 19th century, the American military sent observers to Switzerland in hopes of emulating the Swiss shooting culture.
The American Founders also admired Switzerland's decentralized system of government. Switzerland is a confederation in which the federal government has strictly defined and limited powers, and the cantons, even more so than American states, have the main powers to legislate. The citizens often exercise direct democracy, in the form of the initiative and the referendum. The late political scientist Gianfranco Miglio said the Swiss enjoyed the "last, real federalism in the world," as opposed to the "false and/or deteriorated" federalism of Germany or America.
For centuries, the Swiss cantons had no restrictions on keeping and bearing arms, though every male was required to provide himself with arms for militia service. By the latter part of the 20th century, some cantons required licenses to carry pistols, imposed fees for the acquisition of certain firearms (which could be evaded by buying them in other cantons), and imposed other restrictions — albeit never interfering with the ever-present shooting matches.
In other cantons — usually those with the lowest crime rates — one did not need a police permit for carrying a pistol or for buying a semiautomatic, lookalike Kalashnikov rifle. A permit was necessary only for a non-militia machine gun. Silencers or noise suppressors were unrestricted. Indeed, the Swiss federal government sold to civilian collectors all manner of military surplus, including antiaircraft guns, cannon, and machine guns.
In 1996, the Swiss people voted to allow the federal government to legislate concerning firearms, and to prohibit the cantons from regulating firearms. Some who favored more restrictions (as in other European countries) saw this as a way to pass gun-control laws at the federal level; those who objected to restrictions in some cantons saw it as a way to preempt cantonal regulation, such as the former requirement in Geneva of a permit for an air gun.
The result is a federal firearms law that imposes certain restrictions, but leaves virtually untouched the ability of citizens to possess Swiss military firearms, and to participate incompetitions all over the country.
Supporters of firearm restrictions tend to be socialists and Leftists — including those who wish to abolish the Militia Army, to strengthen the central government to be more like Germany, and to join the European Union. Ironically, the Swiss Socialist Party went through a similar period at the beginning of Hitler's rise. But the Swiss socialists soon recognized the danger, and in 1942 — when Switzerland was completely surrounded by Axis dictatorships — the Socialist Party resolved that "the Swiss should never disarm, even in peacetime."CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT..
Since September 27, the European media have been complaining about this "armed country" where every citizen is a "potential sniper." But the fact is, Switzerland is just as safe as countries where firearms are far more restricted. In 1994, the homicide rate in Switzerland was 1.32 per 100,000 in the population. Of those, 0.58 (44 percent) involved firearms. Compare this to Italy 2.25 (1.66 firearms), France 1.12 (0.44), and Germany 1.17 (0.22).
The Swiss household gun-ownership rate is 27 percent excluding militia weapons. Contrast this with the household gun-ownership rates (at least for households willing to divulge gun ownership to a government-affiliated telephone pollster) of 16 percent for Italians, 23 percent for French, and 9 percent for Germans.
The far left has been demanding massive new gun control, and prohibition on keeping militia rifles in the home. The Defence Minister has ruled out such changes, however. The Justice Department will push for an amendment to the
federal gun law which would abolish private firearms transfers; all private transfers would require police approval.
While most of Switzerland's less-armed neighbors are as peaceful as Switzerland, danger emanates from the Balkans — the former Yugoslavia and Albania — not to mention from the chaos that's followed the breakup of the Soviet Union. Political terrorists and organized criminals are swamping Europe. Indeed, the same terrorist organizations that murdered Americans on September 11 operate in all European countries, including Switzerland. The new Swiss federal-weapons law is in part a reaction to this turmoil. But given that terrorists may buy black market AK-47s from the former Red Army in all European countries, the Swiss federal law impinges more on law-abiding Swiss than it does on foreign miscreants.
This sounds like the left in America..
One wonders whether more gun laws will do as much good for Switzerland as would imprisoning people who threaten bus drivers with a gun, or improving supervision of released felony sexual predators against children.
Since September 27, the European media have been complaining about this "armed country" where every citizen is a "potential sniper." But the fact is, Switzerland is just as safe as countries where firearms are far more restricted. In 1994, the homicide rate in Switzerland was 1.32 per 100,000 in the population. Of those, 0.58 (44 percent) involved firearms. Compare this to Italy 2.25 (1.66 firearms), France 1.12 (0.44), and Germany 1.17 (0.22).
The Swiss household gun-ownership rate is 27 percent excluding militia weapons. Contrast this with the household gun-ownership rates (at least for households willing to divulge gun ownership to a government-affiliated telephone pollster) of 16 percent for Italians, 23 percent for French, and 9 percent for Germans.
The far left has been demanding massive new gun control, and prohibition on keeping militia rifles in the home. The Defence Minister has ruled out such changes, however. The Justice Department will push for an amendment to the
federal gun law which would abolish private firearms transfers; all private transfers would require police approval.
While most of Switzerland's less-armed neighbors are as peaceful as Switzerland, danger emanates from the Balkans — the former Yugoslavia and Albania — not to mention from the chaos that's followed the breakup of the Soviet Union. Political terrorists and organized criminals are swamping Europe. Indeed, the same terrorist organizations that murdered Americans on September 11 operate in all European countries, including Switzerland. The new Swiss federal-weapons law is in part a reaction to this turmoil. But given that terrorists may buy black market AK-47s from the former Red Army in all European countries, the Swiss federal law impinges more on law-abiding Swiss than it does on foreign miscreants.
This sounds like the left in America..
One wonders whether more gun laws will do as much good for Switzerland as would imprisoning people who threaten bus drivers with a gun, or improving supervision of released felony sexual predators against children.
Openmind
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So. . .you are admitting that Switzerland, has a much better system than we do here in the US. . .and still you believe that part of that much better system has NOTHING to do with "safety net?"
Have you looked at their health care?
Have you looked at their child benefits (also called "family allowances")?
Have you looked at their education system?
Have you ever BEEN to Switzerland?
I have.
Openmind
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Simple. . .look at the death by firearms by capita.
That should give you the answer. . .because really, what matters in terms of enjoying our RIGHTS, is to STAY ALIVE!
Chart: The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other ...
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Dec 14, 2012 – Boehner: Don't blame us .... has four times as many gun-related homicides per capita as do Turkey and Switzerland, which are tied for third
what I pointed out is that is very different
has everything to do with systemic morals. morals good of course but its a little creepy that it's business demanding it.
why would I ? I don't live there and there is little like here.
should I applaud ?
Openmind
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Funny how you feel comfortable placing a judgement call on a country when you clearly have no interest in KNOWING that country, either by visiting it (which, obviously, may not be your fault), nor by reading and informing yourself about it.
See. . .I would think that you would want to be informed when using a country as an example and making judgments about why there is NOTHING to gain about looking at such a successful country for IDEAS to lead us out of that mess we are in!
And I thought smart people were always making INFORMED judgments!
Well. . .maybe you are just a typical example of WHY America is falling behind in so many ways! If you don't go there, if you don't "think" you have anything to gain from it, you just feel comfortable staying in your ignorance of other HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL nations!
You really think we have nothing to gain by looking at other countries for where they went wrong, and what they are doing right? You really think that, by putting your head in the sand and singing the "America the Beautiful," and reciting "the Pledge of Allegiance," this is going to keep this country at the forefront of the up and coming nations of this world?
You really think that the ONLY thing America has to earn from foreign nations is through FORCE?. . .through our SUPERIOR "DEFENSE" system? You really think we can brow beat (or massacre) our way through remaining (and that is optimistic!) the "LEADERS OF THIS WORLD?"
Sorry. . .you are sorely retarded in your thinking. . .but then again, that is the typical "far Right" way of thinking!
They don't want to even CONSIDER That we may have something to learn from other nations. . .they are so damn arrogant about our "exceptionalism" that NO ONE in the world can possibly have anything better to offer!
And we wonder why we are in the situation of falling behind, NOT ONLY China, but also Europe (in spite of their current economic difficulties!).
I know this is not easy to read. And I wish I didn't have to throw this in your face. . .but until WE REALIZE that there is something WRONG with the way we have been "progressing" in this country. . .we will NOT adjust our course. . .and we will continue to fall further behind!
steveox
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THE DEATH PENALTTY IS THE ANSWER! Look at Texas! More inmates are being executed and crime rate is low in Texas
Openmind
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why would you assume I have satisfied any curiosity I have about Switzerland ?
a rose is a fine example of beauty in a plant but not so much for beauty in a sculpture. we can no more implement most swiss practices than they can ours. we are different
and so I have
OK so how can we legally rid ourselves of the lazy ?
they were right to not permit nor promote sloth it would have been nice if the left had inhibited this.
I voted for progress but 'gimme my free stuff' won.
oh my... so you have just admitted that "progressing" is turning this great nation into Greece ?
maybe there is hope yet for you ? probably just another 'Freudian Slip' though.
Openmind
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You know what. . .you are not answering honestly.
You have no interest in exchanging real information and considering other points of view. . .so why should I bother?
Have it your way. All I see in your answers is stalling, ignorance, and silly bravado.
So. . .Tata! Enjoy your way. . .while it lasts!
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Switzerland is an extremely interesting example of the successful integration of (1) virtually universal gun-ownership, (2) sensible social programs, (3) decent economic growth, (4) low unemployment, and (5) low taxes. As many GOP politicians argued during the recent Presidential election: Social Security and Medicare can be saved for future generations, unemployment rates can be reduced, educational levels can be improved significantly, individual tax rates can be set at reasonable levels, corporate tax rates can be reduced and maintained at competetive levels, and guns can be owned by responsible citizens, all successfully. Swiss tax rates for individuals and corporations are pretty reasonable, moreso than in the US.
The USA has a cultural problem, not one of taxes being too low, and not one of gun ownership.
The USA has a cultural problem, not one of taxes being too low, and not one of gun ownership.
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