Guillotine the aristocracy

[Gipper]

It's the Rick Ungar blog. Ungar is in favor of Unions. His blog post shows that he believes that the only way public unions can actually receive all of their dues is to take the dues by force. He doesn't want the rank-and-file to be able to vote on union behavior and policies with their money. There's very little misinformation here, just a very good view into the mind of a guy who's having a meltdown because some people may actually get a little more control over how their money is spent.

I would say the only real bit of misinformation is when Ungar blames "the wealthy" for the current anti-union sentiment. There are plenty of working-class people who object to public employee unions. I am one of them.

Nice post.

I am one of them too.

 

[Rick]

The leftwingers current rants about taxing the wealthy is just a smokescreen they've thrown up to distract people from obozo's failed economic policies. When the leftwing Harvard types, feminazis, and "affirmative action" clowns who run the US government run out of excuses about the harm they've caused, they resort to their age-old demogogy, which will only impress morons - unfortunately there are many of those who have a vote.

 

[dahermit]

There's very little misinformation here, just a very good view into the mind of a guy who's having a meltdown because some people may actually get a little more control over how their money is spent.

But much less of it when it is not a Union job. Nice of you to ignore the part about how the average CEO pay has gone to 250 times what the average worker gets while at the same time the average Union worker is accused of greed that limits company growth.

 

[Rick]

But much less of it when it is not a Union job. Nice of you to ignore the part about how the average CEO pay has gone to 250 times what the average worker gets while at the same time the average Union worker is accused of greed that limits company growth.

The union worker rarely contributes anything but labor, and his job has been created by the intellect, investment, and efforts of someone else. CEOs get paid based on performance. If I owned a company and a CEO created $10 billion in profits, I would be happy to pay him a $1 billion salary - it would be irrational to do anything else. Comparing workers salaries with that of CEOs is comparing apples and oranges - they have nothing to do with each other. Also this perennial complaint about the ratio of salaries is just pure leftwing demogogy - there's no basis in reason to claim they should be in some magic number.

 

[Dr.Who]

Oh, for the return of the guillotine. I would gladly sit for hours pulling the lanyard time after time. The real enemy is not without of our borders, it is and always has been within. With the disparity between worker and CEO growing each year, their agenda will re-establish the robber barons to power.


http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2...erican-aristocracy-with-middle-class-dollars/

Getting back on topic it is worth noting that the growing disparity between worker and CEO is used as rational for murder at worst and execution without trial at best.

The U.S. system requires that people actually by found guilty of something before they are executed. Making money is not a crime. If it were then Oprah would by up on the block too.

 

[Centrehalf]

But much less of it when it is not a Union job. Nice of you to ignore the part about how the average CEO pay has gone to 250 times what the average worker gets while at the same time the average Union worker is accused of greed that limits company growth.

CEO pay is not relevant. Ungar was talking about public unions. I don't think public employees should be allowed to organize. I am big supporter of trade unions, I'm a member of the IBEW. I pay my dues, they're not deducted. There's a big difference between skilled tradesmen negotiating with wealthy businessmen and public employees negotiating for public money.

 

[Dr.Who]

CEO pay is not relevant. Ungar was talking about public unions. I don't think public employees should be allowed to organize. I am big supporter of trade unions, I'm a member of the IBEW. I pay my dues, they're not deducted. There's a big difference between skilled tradesmen negotiating with wealthy businessmen and public employees negotiating for public money.

Any citizen should be allowed to form an association with any other citizen. Likewise any citizen should be allowed not to form an association with any other citizen.

So if two or more public employees want to form a group they should be allowed to. And if any employer does not want to talk to representatives of that group then they should not have to.

 

[Centrehalf]

I disagree. Public employment is different. I also think the old line about organizing to protect yourself against the "robber barons" falls on deaf ears when you're a public employee beause in their case there is no robber baron.

 

[Stalin]

Oh my Uncle Joe.

I think I have stated my opinion of you several times on this forum.

You ability to misunderstand, obtuse or otherwise is legendary.

Which of the activities I listed do you think is false ?

Comrade Stalin

 

[Centrehalf]

My last reply was a little short. I was in a hurry to log off and go out last night

I agree with everything that Dr. Who said about freedom of association. My preference is that public sector workers not be unionized, but I'd settle for voluntary membership.

Rick Ungar makes the case that "the wealthy" are driving anti-union sentiment and trying to ruin public sector unions. I can't speak for the rest of the country, but in Michigan we had an incident involving unions that influenced far more people than the wealthy ever have. Take a look at the following, this was the incident that proved to me once and for all that public unions need to be abolished or seriously hamstrung.

http://www.mackinac.org/13921

Despite Gov. Jennifer Granholm's year-long, glaring public silence on the stealth unionization of Michigan's home-based day care providers, all roads seem to lead to her office.

For more than a year, Mackinac Center Communications Specialist Kathy Hoekstra has been investigating the mechanism by which Michigan's private, home-based day care providers were forced into a public employees union

 

[Gipper]

You ability to misunderstand, obtuse or otherwise is legendary.

Which of the activities I listed do you think is false ?

Comrade Stalin

Yes...the Gipper is a LEGEND and Stalin is an f-ing scumbag burning in HELL.


Lenin's Last Words to Stalin

A NOTE TO PROGRESSIVE COMRADES WHO MAY INQUIRE ABOUT THE MEANING OF THIS SEQUENCE: It reflects the popular progressive belief that communism was a good idea in general, but it didn't work out because Stalin distorted Lenin's brilliant plan - solely as a result of his own stupidity, viciousness, and megalomania. Observe a cigarette in Stalin's hand. He was a dedicated smoker, while Lenin only tried smoking once as a little boy, but then quit and never tried again. But that's not what killed him.

 

[Dr.Who]

I agree with everything that Dr. Who said about freedom of association.

I think it was GenSenica who first made that clear to me. Often I am just the student.