Greenspan says Clinton BEST!

[USMC the Almighty]

Easy!

President Bill Clinton - surplus

President Geoge Bush - defect

Now, feel free to continue your bull**** proving Bush is superior to Clinton.

Well isn't this a rather simplistic view. Perhaps it's because Bush has to pay for a war.

 

[palerider]

4 years of surplus economy is managing the economy....living within a budget and giving the american people a strong national economy is managing the economy....

No. 4 years of surplus woud be a result of managing the economy. There was never any actual surplus however, there was a projected surplus, but it never materialized.

So once again I ask. What did he do to "accomplish" any of the things that have been claimed?

 

[palerider]

Easy!

President Bill Clinton - surplus

President Geoge Bush - defect

Now, feel free to continue your bull**** proving Bush is superior to Clinton.

One more joins the liberal circle jerk. Lots of talk but no answer to some very simple questions.

Clinton never had a surplus. Clinton had a projected surplus that was the result of some slick accounting. Naturally, it never materialized. The debt continued to rise every year of clinton's administration exactly as it has since 1960.

 

[palerider]

Well isn't this a rather simplistic view. Perhaps it's because Bush has to pay for a war.

Simplistic and false. Clinton never actually had a surplus, he had a "projected" surplus that "might" have come to pass had the economy and the world remained static for some 10 to 12 years after he left office. Unfortunately, the world isn't a vaccum and the surplus never came to be. Typical of liberals, results take a back seat to intention so while clinton never actually had a surplus but intended to have a surplus, he gets credit for it in their minds.

 

[9sublime]

It looks pretty steep after ol' G.W. takes office.

 

[Popeye]

Simplistic and false. Clinton never actually had a surplus, he had a "projected" surplus that "might" have come to pass had the economy and the world remained static for some 10 to 12 years after he left office. Unfortunately, the world isn't a vaccum and the surplus never came to be. Typical of liberals, results take a back seat to intention so while clinton never actually had a surplus but intended to have a surplus, he gets credit for it in their minds.

You're just in a total and complete state of denial over Bill Clinton's fine accomplishments. You also are in a definitive minority, along with others of your ilk, who refuse to give a Democrat credit for anything. When Bill Clinton left office, he had an approval rating of 65%, the highest end of presidency rating since WWII. There was a budget surplus for fiscal year 1999 of 122.7 billion, for 1998 69.2 billion, the first time since 1957 that 2 years in a row of a budget surplus were recorded. Bush can only dream of such an accomplishment. He also can only dream of such high approval ratings. The facts are what they are, face it, Bill Clinton was our finest modern day President.

 

[palerider]

It looks pretty steep after ol' G.W. takes office.

War does that. Go back to vietnam, and korea, and WWII and WWII and you will see the same sort of rise.

 

[palerider]

You're just in a total and complete state of denial over Bill Clinton's fine accomplishments. You also are in a definitive minority, along with others of your ilk, who refuse to give a Democrat credit for anything. When Bill Clinton left office, he had an approval rating of 65%, the highest end of presidency rating since WWII. There was a budget surplus for fiscal year 1999 of 122.7 billion, for 1998 69.2 billion, the first time since 1957 that 2 years in a row of a budget surplus were recorded. Bush can only dream of such an accomplishment. He also can only dream of such high approval ratings. The facts are what they are, face it, Bill Clinton was our finest modern day President.

I am in denial of nothing except your lies.

I asked you, or any other liberal, exactly what clinton did to "accomplish" the things that were described as his accomplishments. Neither you, nor anyone else stepped up and described how he accomplished those things. It is obvious that you can't describe what he did because he didn't do anyting to accomplish them. He was just there.

There was never a budget surplus. There were projected surpluses that never came to be.

 

[palerider]

By the way, if being nothing more than a stuffed suit who lays claim to achievements that he never accomplished is what makes a great president, then by that standard, clinton was indeed one of the greats.

 

[Popeye]

I am in denial of nothing except your lies.

My "lies", that's a bit extreme, don't you think? We both may view things a different way, but I don't think either one of us is intentionally lying. I suppose though, I'm also lying about Clinton's approval rating or the fact that Bush has managed to rack up record deficits.

 

[palerider]

His approval rating has nothing to do with the fact that you are unable to explain how he accomplished the things that you claim are his accomplishments. The mention of approval ratings is a straw man intended to divert the conversation away from your inability to say what he did to accomplish those things that you have claimed were his accomplishments.

 

[Popeye]

September 27, 2000

"These results today – paying off $360 billion of the national debt, continuing the longest economic expansion in history – knowing that we can get this done, that we can actually get the country out of debt, ought to be an inspiration for all of us to stay on the path that got us here, now and in the years ahead."

President Bill Clinton
September 27, 2000

Today, at the White House, President Clinton announced figures released by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), showing that this year’s budget surplus will be at least $230 billion, the largest surplus ever. This third-consecutive surplus will lead to a total debt pay-down of more than $360 billion – the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history – and keep us on track to pay off the entire debt by 2012. The President stressed that the key to these results is fiscal discipline, and urged Congress to stay on the path that got us here by passing fiscally responsible budget bills that invest in our nation’s future instead of special interests.

THE LARGEST UNIFIED SURPLUS EVER. In 1992, the federal budget deficit was $290 billion – the largest dollar deficit in American history. In January 1993, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the deficit would grow to $455 billion by 2000. But the Clinton-Gore Administration embarked on a new economic strategy of fiscal discipline, greater investment in people, and opening foreign markets to trade. Now, instead of a $455 billion deficit, OMB estimates a surplus this year of at least $230 billion – the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever, even after adjusting for inflation. Today’s announcements show:

* The largest unified surplus as a share of the economy since 1948;

* The 3rd consecutive year with a surplus—for the first time in over 50 years;

* The 8th consecutive year of fiscal improvement for the first time in American history; and

* The first surplus excluding Social Security and Medicare, making it the only on-budget surplus since Medicare was established in 1965.

THE LARGEST DEBT REDUCTION EVER. As a result of the budget surplus:

* The President’s plan to eliminate the debt by 2012 remains on track;

* The 12 cents of every federal dollar we currently spend on interest payments would be eliminated;

* The U.S. is on track to pay down more than $360 billion in debt over three years, the largest 3-year debt pay-down in our history. Under the 12 years of Presidents Reagan and Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled.

REDUCING SPENDING AND CUTTING TAXES FOR WORKING FAMILIES. While balancing the budget, achieving large surpluses and paying down the debt, the Clinton-Gore Administration has provided tax relief for working families:

* Federal spending as a share of the economy is the lowest since 1966;

* Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, the federal workforce has been cut by 377,000, resulting in the smallest federal civilian workforce in 40 years;

* The total federal tax rate for middle-income families has dropped from 24.5% in 1992 to 22.8% in 1999 –the lowest tax rate since 1978. For families at one-half the median income, the effective federal tax rate has been slashed from 19.8% in 1992 to 14.1% in 1999 –the lowest tax rate since 1968.

URGING CONGRESS TO PASS RESPONSIBLE BUDGET LEGISLATION. President Clinton urged Congress to stop loading up spending bills with election-year porkbarrel projects, and instead invest in the American people by raising the minimum wage; passing a real patient’s bill of rights; creating a voluntary, affordable Medicare prescription drug benefit; enacting tax cuts for long-term care, child care, and college education; and making critical investments in education.

 

[Popeye]

Now, I suppose, from your point of view, those figures are all "lies".

 

[top gun]

I don't know why we're even lowering ourselves to the level of doubt about whether Clinton was a good President from an economic standpoint. It's a given even by the general Republican perspective. They may not like the way Clinton cut certain things... say some of the military cuts, but everyone knows Clinton and a good economy are synonymous.

And the icing on the cake. Life long Republican and Fed Chairman under 6 different Presidents says... CLINTON was the best! We don't have to keep saying it. He said it. He should know better than anyone else in the world!

 

[palerider]

Now, I suppose, from your point of view, those figures are all "lies".

Yes. They are lies. If you look at the actual numbers, rather than white house press releases, the surplus dissappears. Wonder why that is?

Now, can you tell me what clinton did to accomplish those things you guys have called accomplishments?