Fat America

[PLC1]

I seem to see an argument not about which party is best, but about which is least bad.

Which party is really the worst when it comes to taking away individual rights?

Which party is most likely to want to limit the Second Amendment?
Which party is most likely to want to give the government the right to end a life?
Which party is most likely to support a woman's right to choose?
Which party is most likely to want to pass draconian and unworkable drug laws?
Which party has come out against asset forfeiture? How about warrantless wiretapping?

The answers, of course, are not the same.

Both major parties are statist and anti Tenth Amendment. Can anyone dispute that statement?

 

[Dr.Who]

Which party supported the the equal rights amendment for women? I'll give you a hint, the first letter was not an R.

The ERA is more partisan hackery than support of women's rights and has been proposed under every congress since 1982 both republican and democratic and so far none of them has thought it important enough to ratify it.

Opposing partisan hackery is not the same as opposing civil rights.

Prior to that the Republican party included support of the ERA IN ITS PLATFORM since 1944 and renewed that support every four years until 1980. No doubt it was dropped in the 80's because that is when the hackery became unsupportabel.

 

[Dr.Who]

Both major parties are statist and anti Tenth Amendment. Can anyone dispute that statement?

I can't.

 

[samsara15]

GWB gave us more imperial Presidency than we have had since Lyndon J.

 

[Dr.Who]

GWB gave us more imperial Presidency than we have had since Lyndon J.

Using the loosest of definitions of imperialism that would be true. Using a middle of the road definition of socialism Obama has given us the most socialist presidency since the New Deal.

Both imperialism and socialism are in opposition to our founding fathers wishes, the constitution, and what is best for America.

Since GWB is no longer in office I don't see much point in opposing his policies but since Obama is still in office we should all oppose those policies.

 

[dahermit]

...Both imperialism and socialism are in opposition to our founding fathers wishes, the constitution, and what is best for America.
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True, they did not want a king. It is not surprising that the founding fathers did not want sociolism...they were all landed gentry, well to do, or at least prominent. How many can you name there were common tradesmen, indentured servants, or slaves?
Finlay, what you consider: "...what is best for America..." is only your opinion of what you think is best for America. Perhaps what is "best for America", should be more relevant to the working classes...there are more of them.

 

[PLC1]

True, they did not want a king. It is not surprising that the founding fathers did not want sociolism...they were all landed gentry, well to do, or at least prominent. How many can you name there were common tradesmen, indentured servants, or slaves?
Finlay, what you consider: "...what is best for America..." is only your opinion of what you think is best for America. Perhaps what is "best for America", should be more relevant to the working classes...there are more of them.

Does that mean you think socialism is what is best for America?

Or, am I misreading your intent?

 

[dahermit]

Does that mean you think socialism is what is best for America?

Or, am I misreading your intent?

What is America? Do you mean the American people? How exactly do you define America?

 

[PLC1]

What is America? Do you mean the American people? How exactly do you define America?

Excellent question, and not one with an easy answer. I suppose the 300 million or so of us who live within the borders of what we call the US could be called the country, the government and its traditions and institutions are the country, the cultural traditions are the country, a lot of things could be called the country.

Let's go way out on a limb and say that the country that we live in is an abstract concept made up of a tradition of individual liberty. How's that?