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With over 100 gun control laws, California has an “A” rating from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and is ranked No. 1 in the country in gun law strength by gun control advocates Everytown for Gun Safety. How, then, could multiple mass shootings occur in California, leaving at least 19 dead and many others injured, in the span of one week?
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Gun laws work for people who obey the law , but have little effect for criminals and the mentally ill .


also lets look at some raw data regarding the ar 15 rifle

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Are AR-15 Rifles a Public Safety Threat? Here's What the Data Say

Between 2007 and 2017, nearly 1,700 people were murdered with a knife or sharp object per year. That’s almost four times the number of people murdered by an assailant with any sort of rifle. But what if we look at just AR-15 rifles?
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Figure 2 compares rifle homicides to homicides with other non-firearm weapons. Believe it or not, between 2007 and 2017, nearly 1,700 people were murdered with a knife or sharp object per year. That’s almost four times the number of people murdered by an assailant with any sort of rifle.


In any given year, for every person murdered with a rifle, there are 15 murdered with handguns, 1.7 with hands or fists, and 1.2 with blunt instruments. In fact, homicides with any sort of rifle represent a mere 3.2 percent of all homicides on average over the past decade.


Given that the FBI statistics pertain to all rifles, the homicide frequency of “assault-style” rifles like the AR-15 is necessarily lesser still, as such firearms compose a fraction of all the rifles used in crime.

yet its the evil black gun , which clearly it is not . there is a limit to what power the constitution give the government , this is for a reason
 
the annoying thing said:
Gun laws work for people who obey the law , but have little effect for criminals and the mentally ill .


also lets look at some raw data regarding the ar 15 rifle

fee.org

Are AR-15 Rifles a Public Safety Threat? Here's What the Data Say

Between 2007 and 2017, nearly 1,700 people were murdered with a knife or sharp object per year. That’s almost four times the number of people murdered by an assailant with any sort of rifle. But what if we look at just AR-15 rifles?
fee.org fee.org


Figure 2 compares rifle homicides to homicides with other non-firearm weapons. Believe it or not, between 2007 and 2017, nearly 1,700 people were murdered with a knife or sharp object per year. That’s almost four times the number of people murdered by an assailant with any sort of rifle.


In any given year, for every person murdered with a rifle, there are 15 murdered with handguns, 1.7 with hands or fists, and 1.2 with blunt instruments. In fact, homicides with any sort of rifle represent a mere 3.2 percent of all homicides on average over the past decade.


Given that the FBI statistics pertain to all rifles, the homicide frequency of “assault-style” rifles like the AR-15 is necessarily lesser still, as such firearms compose a fraction of all the rifles used in crime.

yet its the evil black gun , which clearly it is not . there is a limit to what power the constitution give the government , this is for a reason
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And exactly what is that reason?
 
the annoying thing said:
With over 100 gun control laws, California has an “A” rating from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and is ranked No. 1 in the country in gun law strength by gun control advocates Everytown for Gun Safety. How, then, could multiple mass shootings occur in California, leaving at least 19 dead and many others injured, in the span of one week?
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because "work" is a vague word. if you mean "prevent all violence' then no, they don't "work", but of course that isn't realistic. In a country the size of california,, having odd statistical events like multiple shootings in a short period of time can happen.

how much gun violence would there be without their gun laws? that's the question, and one we can't know the answer to, if you want to know if they "work". for 100% certain.

on the other hand, rand did a study of gun laws and found there is varying amount of statistical evidence for how effective various gun laws are:

www.rand.org

What Science Tells Us About the Effects of Gun Policies

There are significant gaps in the available research on the effects of gun policies. However, the strongest evidence suggests laws aimed at preventing children from accessing guns would reduce firearm self-harm, and unintentional injuries and deaths among children.
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their findings are that some kinds of gun laws have evidence that says they 'work" by reducing crime and other negative outcomes.
 
the annoying thing said:
With over 100 gun control laws, California has an “A” rating from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and is ranked No. 1 in the country in gun law strength by gun control advocates Everytown for Gun Safety. How, then, could multiple mass shootings occur in California, leaving at least 19 dead and many others injured, in the span of one week?
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It's specious logic to believe that gun control laws will stop any one crime from occurring. Anecdotal evidence has no scientific value. The best one can do is put a dent in crime. So, on the subject of gun violence prevention, you probably fall into one of the two categories: 1. You believe something should be done and government has a role to play in that effort. Or, 2. You believe it all is on the parents, communities, etc., and government has no role in doing anything about gun violence.
Well, I'm in the former category, so, in order to achieve this, more than just laws are needed, but a comprehensive program approaching the subject from a number of angles on more than one level. In other words, though we should measure effectiveness, it is my view that regardless of the effectiveness, all of us, parents, communities, organizations, and the government, should work together and at least try. For me, doing nothing is not an option and I hold that view even if 'studies' show no significant improvement, we should do it all anyway. I believe that mainly because there are so many variables in real life that affect outcomes that, in my view, any study's value has limitations, given this fact.

The problem of gun violence in the United States is a complex and multifaceted issue that requires a comprehensive approach from the government, parents, our communities, organizations and workplaces combined. To effectively tackle this problem, the government should implement a range of policies and initiatives that address the root causes of gun violence, improve access to mental health services, and enhance the safety and security of communities.

  1. Strengthening Gun Control Laws: The government should work to strengthen existing gun control laws and implement new ones to make it more difficult for individuals with a history of violence or mental illness to access firearms. This includes expanding background check requirements, banning military-style assault weapons, and implementing strict licensing requirements for firearm ownership.
  2. Improving Access to Mental Health Services: Mental health is a significant contributor to gun violence, and the government should prioritize providing better access to mental health services for individuals in need. This includes increasing funding for mental health programs, expanding insurance coverage for mental health services, and improving the quality of mental health services in communities.
  3. Enhancing Community Safety and Security: The government should work to enhance community safety and security through a range of initiatives. This includes increasing funding for community policing programs, providing resources and training for first responders, and working with community organizations to address the root causes of gun violence, such as poverty and discrimination.
  4. Reducing the Flow of Illegal Firearms: The government should work to reduce the flow of illegal firearms into the country and to stop the illegal trafficking of firearms within the United States. This can be achieved through enhanced border security measures, increased law enforcement resources, and stronger penalties for individuals who engage in illegal firearms trafficking.
  5. Promoting Gun Safety and Responsibility: The government should work to promote gun safety and responsibility among gun owners, including educating individuals on the importance of proper storage and use of firearms, and encouraging the use of safety devices such as trigger locks.
  6. Supporting Research and Data Collection: The government should support research and data collection on gun violence and its causes to inform future policy decisions. This includes funding studies on the impact of current gun laws, and collecting data on gun-related incidents, including those that do not result in death.

It's worth noting that while there are studies which provide evidence supporting the idea that gun laws and comprehensive approaches can be effective in reducing gun violence, there is still much debate and ongoing research in this area, and it is a complex and multifaceted issue. Nevertheless, the evidence suggests that implementing strong gun laws and taking a comprehensive approach to preventing gun violence can be an important step in reducing the devastating impact of firearms on public health and safety.

In conclusion, a comprehensive approach to tackling the gun violence problem in the United States requires a multi-faceted approach that addresses the root causes of gun violence, improves access to mental health services, and enhances community safety and security. By implementing these policies and initiatives, the government can work to reduce the incidence of gun violence and make communities safer for all.

But, the second amendment gun worshipers and gun fetishers who believe nothing should be done, whatsoever, I don't buy their philosophy at all.
 
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It's specious logic to believe that gun control laws will stop any one crime from occurring. Anecdotal evidence has no scientific value. The best one can do is put a dent in crime. So, on the subject of gun violence prevention, you probably fall into one of the two categories: 1. You believe something should be done and government has a role to play in that effort. Or, 2. You believe it all is on the parents, communities, etc., and government has no role in doing anything about gun violence.
Well, I'm in the former category, so, in order to achieve this, more than just laws are needed, but a comprehensive program approaching the subject from a number of angles on more than one level. In other words, though we should measure effectiveness, it is my view that regardless of the effectiveness, all of us, parents, communities, organizations, and the government, should work together and at least try. For me, doing nothing is not an option and I hold that view even if 'studies' show no significant improvement, we should do it all anyway. I believe that mainly because there are so many variables in real life that affect outcomes that, in my view, any study's value has limitations, given this fact.

The problem of gun violence in the United States is a complex and multifaceted issue that requires a comprehensive approach from the government, parents, our communities, organizations and workplaces combined. To effectively tackle this problem, the government should implement a range of policies and initiatives that address the root causes of gun violence, improve access to mental health services, and enhance the safety and security of communities.

  1. Strengthening Gun Control Laws: The government should work to strengthen existing gun control laws and implement new ones to make it more difficult for individuals with a history of violence or mental illness to access firearms. This includes expanding background check requirements, banning military-style assault weapons, and implementing strict licensing requirements for firearm ownership.
  2. Improving Access to Mental Health Services: Mental health is a significant contributor to gun violence, and the government should prioritize providing better access to mental health services for individuals in need. This includes increasing funding for mental health programs, expanding insurance coverage for mental health services, and improving the quality of mental health services in communities.
  3. Enhancing Community Safety and Security: The government should work to enhance community safety and security through a range of initiatives. This includes increasing funding for community policing programs, providing resources and training for first responders, and working with community organizations to address the root causes of gun violence, such as poverty and discrimination.
  4. Reducing the Flow of Illegal Firearms: The government should work to reduce the flow of illegal firearms into the country and to stop the illegal trafficking of firearms within the United States. This can be achieved through enhanced border security measures, increased law enforcement resources, and stronger penalties for individuals who engage in illegal firearms trafficking.
  5. Promoting Gun Safety and Responsibility: The government should work to promote gun safety and responsibility among gun owners, including educating individuals on the importance of proper storage and use of firearms, and encouraging the use of safety devices such as trigger locks.
  6. Supporting Research and Data Collection: The government should support research and data collection on gun violence and its causes to inform future policy decisions. This includes funding studies on the impact of current gun laws, and collecting data on gun-related incidents, including those that do not result in death.

It's worth noting that while there are studies which provide evidence supporting the idea that gun laws and comprehensive approaches can be effective in reducing gun violence, there is still much debate and ongoing research in this area, and it is a complex and multifaceted issue. Nevertheless, the evidence suggests that implementing strong gun laws and taking a comprehensive approach to preventing gun violence can be an important step in reducing the devastating impact of firearms on public health and safety.

In conclusion, a comprehensive approach to tackling the gun violence problem in the United States requires a multi-faceted approach that addresses the root causes of gun violence, improves access to mental health services, and enhances community safety and security. By implementing these policies and initiatives, the government can work to reduce the incidence of gun violence and make communities safer for all.

But, the second amendment gun worshipers and gun fetishers who believe nothing should be done, whatsoever, I don't buy their philosophy at all.
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You have some very interesting opinions and theory's and I must say I agree with may of them maybe not 100 percent but enough .
One big step would be making people in community's aware of red flag laws and the police receive more training on what to look for . Community's mental health in America is lacking a lot . Family friend's neighbors the school system should be the first to id odd behavior .
The laws as you know could be great but if no one is willing to speak ou then they are useless
 
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