Did millions of illegal immigrants vote in 2016 in California?

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What kind of question is that? Republican experts and investigators made that claim but is it true and can we prove or disprove the claim? What facts must we examine to prove or disprove the claim? We must compare voting records with immigration records, social security cards, addresses, and so forth to be able to prove the claim one way or another, but nobody has been able to do that because government officials have blocked access to records preventing such investigations.

Putting aside the fact that govedrnment obstructions to investigations leave us incapable of providing truth one way or another, let's examine a typical report from a typical leftist fact checker who has labeleded the claim false. Did the fact checker prove the claim was false? No, not even close. So how could the fact checker be so sure the claim was false? Who knows? Maybe they believe by blind faith that the claim was false.

By Allison GravesNovember 18, 2016

Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election?
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So is there any truth to it?

Well, we don’t know for absolute certain. But the report is actually a tweet, and the person who authored the tweet won’t explain how he arrived at his figure. If that isn’t reason enough to be skeptical, independent experts and historical analyses suggest it’s highly suspect.

In other words, don’t buy it.
 
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mark francis said:
What kind of question is that? Republican experts and investigators made that claim but is it true and can we prove or disprove the claim? What facts must we examine to prove or disprove the claim? We must compare voting records with immigration records, social security cards, addresses, and so forth to be able to prove the claim one way or another, but nobody has been able to do that because government officials have blocked access to records preventing such investigations.

Putting aside the fact that govedrnment obstructions to investigations leave us incapable of providing truth one way or another, let's examine a typical report from a typical leftist fact checker who has labeleded the claim false. Did the fact checker prove the claim was false? No, not even close. So how could the fact checker be so sure the claim was false? Who knows? Maybe they believe by blind faith that the claim was false.

By Allison GravesNovember 18, 2016

Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election?
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So is there any truth to it?

Well, we don’t know for absolute certain. But the report is actually a tweet, and the person who authored the tweet won’t explain how he arrived at his figure. If that isn’t reason enough to be skeptical, independent experts and historical analyses suggest it’s highly suspect.

In other words, don’t buy it.
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It has been illegal for non-citizens to vote in California for decades, but how can we be sure non-citizens are not voting? We can't. Some state laws prohibit cross checks between illegal immigrant records and voting lists. In other words, laws preventing illegals from voting in most states are nothing but deceptive covers designed to fool the public into falsely thinking state laws prevent illegals from breaking the laws on a massive scale.

Illegals have been voting in California for decades and that fact is forever emblazoned in the Congressional Record. Democrats, not republicans, have been 'fighting like hell' for decades to legalize illegal immigrant voting. If Kackles and her Rambo warrior running mate win in 2024 we will likely see the legalization of all sorts of corrupt democrat voting, including voting by non Americans.

https://votingrightslab.org/2024/03/13/analysis-the-truth-about-false-claims-of-noncitizen-voting/ 3-13-24


False Claims of Noncitizen Voting

by Voting Rights Lab
March 13, 2024
About This Analysis
Only U.S. citizens may vote in federal and statewide elections. Potential voters must attest, under penalty of perjury, that they are U.S. citizens in order to register to vote – and states take additional steps to ensure that noncitizens are not on their voter registration lists. Although there is no evidence that the current systems are not working, or that noncitizen voting is a problem, some states are currently considering – and adopting – new laws that go too far, risking purges of U.S. citizens from their voter registration lists.

Notice the leftist hype. The false claim based upon nothing but assumptions is made that illegal voting is not happening. Notice also that the leftist writer condemns voting security measures that would close windows to unreported illegal voting, claiming voting security measures "go too far." The leftist promotion of illegal voting has found support in a SCOTUS decision:

In the letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland, Republican Mississippi Secretary of State Michael Watson wrote that a Biden-signed executive order has led to agencies under Mr. Garland’s charge “attempting to register people to vote, including potentially ineligible felons and to co-opt state and local officials into accomplishing this goal.” ...

The problem, according to Mr. Watson, is that those materials may be given to people who can’t vote such as felons and illegal aliens. State officials are also essentially being forced to comply with the rules, he said.

“Our understanding is that everyone in the Marshals’ custody is given a form advising them of their right to register and vote,” his letter said, according to Fox News. “Providing ineligible non-citizens with information on how to register to vote undoubtedly encourages them to illegally register to vote, exposing them to legal jeopardy beyond their immigration status.”

The letter said that the secretary of state’s office believes that providing a form to illegal immigrants who are jailed to advise them of their right to vote “undoubtedly encourages them to illegally” do so and exposes them to “legal jeopardy.”

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https://votingrightslab.org/2024/03/13/analysis-the-truth-about-false-claims-of-noncitizen-voting/ 3-13-24

However, some states have tried to implement additional requirements for registrants to prove U.S. citizenship – and federal courts have blocked many of these efforts. For example, Arizona voters approved a ballot measure in 2004 to require registrants to provide documentary proof of citizenship (DPOC), such as a birth certificate or naturalization paperwork, in order to have their voter registration approved. The U.S. Supreme Court went on to block enforcement of this provision for federal elections – holding that Congress has the primary authority to set the rules for federal elections under the Constitution.[1] Since this ruling, Arizona has operated a bifurcated voter registration system – meaning voters who wish to participate in state or local elections must provide DPOC, while those who only wish to participate in federal elections can attest to their citizenship under penalty of law.

Seeking to test the limits of the Supreme Court ruling, the Arizona legislature recently passed a law in 2022 imposing new restrictions, including prohibiting voters from participating in federal presidential elections – and from voting by mail in federal elections – unless they provide documentary proof of citizenship. On February 29, a federal district court issued its final ruling concluding that these provisions of the Arizona law and several others violate federal laws and may not be enforced.
 
mark francis said:
It has been illegal for non-citizens to vote in California for decades, but how can we be sure non-citizens are not voting? We can't. Some state laws prohibit cross checks between illegal immigrant records and voting lists. In other words, laws preventing illegals from voting in most states are nothing but deceptive covers designed to fool the public into falsely thinking state laws prevent illegals from breaking the laws on a massive scale.

Illegals have been voting in California for decades and that fact is forever emblazoned in the Congressional Record. Democrats, not republicans, have been 'fighting like hell' for decades to legalize illegal immigrant voting. If Kackles and her Rambo warrior running mate win in 2024 we will likely see the legalization of all sorts of corrupt democrat voting, including voting by non Americans.

https://votingrightslab.org/2024/03/13/analysis-the-truth-about-false-claims-of-noncitizen-voting/ 3-13-24


False Claims of Noncitizen Voting

by Voting Rights Lab
March 13, 2024
About This Analysis
Only U.S. citizens may vote in federal and statewide elections. Potential voters must attest, under penalty of perjury, that they are U.S. citizens in order to register to vote – and states take additional steps to ensure that noncitizens are not on their voter registration lists. Although there is no evidence that the current systems are not working, or that noncitizen voting is a problem, some states are currently considering – and adopting – new laws that go too far, risking purges of U.S. citizens from their voter registration lists.

Notice the leftist hype. The false claim based upon nothing but assumptions is made that illegal voting is not happening. Notice also that the leftist writer condemns voting security measures that would close windows to unreported illegal voting, claiming voting security measures "go too far." The leftist promotion of illegal voting has found support in a SCOTUS decision:

In the letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland, Republican Mississippi Secretary of State Michael Watson wrote that a Biden-signed executive order has led to agencies under Mr. Garland’s charge “attempting to register people to vote, including potentially ineligible felons and to co-opt state and local officials into accomplishing this goal.” ...

The problem, according to Mr. Watson, is that those materials may be given to people who can’t vote such as felons and illegal aliens. State officials are also essentially being forced to comply with the rules, he said.

“Our understanding is that everyone in the Marshals’ custody is given a form advising them of their right to register and vote,” his letter said, according to Fox News. “Providing ineligible non-citizens with information on how to register to vote undoubtedly encourages them to illegally register to vote, exposing them to legal jeopardy beyond their immigration status.”

The letter said that the secretary of state’s office believes that providing a form to illegal immigrants who are jailed to advise them of their right to vote “undoubtedly encourages them to illegally” do so and exposes them to “legal jeopardy.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

https://votingrightslab.org/2024/03/13/analysis-the-truth-about-false-claims-of-noncitizen-voting/ 3-13-24

However, some states have tried to implement additional requirements for registrants to prove U.S. citizenship – and federal courts have blocked many of these efforts. For example, Arizona voters approved a ballot measure in 2004 to require registrants to provide documentary proof of citizenship (DPOC), such as a birth certificate or naturalization paperwork, in order to have their voter registration approved. The U.S. Supreme Court went on to block enforcement of this provision for federal elections – holding that Congress has the primary authority to set the rules for federal elections under the Constitution.[1] Since this ruling, Arizona has operated a bifurcated voter registration system – meaning voters who wish to participate in state or local elections must provide DPOC, while those who only wish to participate in federal elections can attest to their citizenship under penalty of law.

Seeking to test the limits of the Supreme Court ruling, the Arizona legislature recently passed a law in 2022 imposing new restrictions, including prohibiting voters from participating in federal presidential elections – and from voting by mail in federal elections – unless they provide documentary proof of citizenship. On February 29, a federal district court issued its final ruling concluding that these provisions of the Arizona law and several others violate federal laws and may not be enforced.
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how can we be sure space aliens aren't voting for trump? we can't. lol.

if you have credible evidence of illegal activity, run, don't walk, to the nearest authorities
 
pjmret said:
No credible evidence to support it
Which makes it just more right wing whining
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A 1996 cursory congressional investigation into illegal immigrant voting in California found more than 700 votes cast by illegals with the possibility of thousands more, although the investigation was called off without examining the thousands more possible illegal votes.

Proof Of Illegal Voters Falls Short, Keeping Sanchez In House - February 7, 1998 (cnn.com) 2-7-98

Proof Of Illegal Voters Falls Short, Keeping Sanchez In House

Task force Chairman Vernon J. Ehlers, R-Mich., said investigators had found concrete evidence of 748 illegal votes by non-citizens, not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt. He and other Republicans said the results nonetheless show that Dornan's challenge was not frivolous and that the GOP was not unfairly targeting Hispanic voters.
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In his Notice, Mr. Dornan alleged the following grounds for

contesting the election: (a) that there were approximately

1,985 more ballots counted than voters voting who were

accounted for in county records; (b) that illegal votes were

cast in that persons cast multiple votes or voted from business

addresses; (c) that absentee ballots were cast improperly; (d)

that under-age voters and non-citizens voted; (e) that

convicted felons may have voted; (f) that the precinct board

made errors sufficient to change the result of the election;

and (g) that there was an error in the vote-counting programs

or summation of ballot counts. ...
While the Democrats controlled Congress for forty years,

there was a consistent denial of access to facts, which

frustrated efforts to uncover possible vote fraud or

malfeasance in our electoral system. ...
There is a fundamental problem with any investigation into

voting by non-citizens. Undocumented or illegal aliens do not

have a paper trail at the INS. The INS only keeps records on

documented, legal aliens. Without more accurate data collection

at the point of registration persons, will be able to register

using fabricated identities and thus will be difficult if not

impossible to detect. ...


Immigration and Naturalization Service Production



On April 24, 1997, the Committee wrote to INS Director

Doris Meissner requesting assistance from the INS. Nearly a

week later, the Committee wrote a letter to Attorney Janet Reno

to request assistance from the INS. However, on May 1st,

instead of providing the Committee the information it

requested, the INS wrote a letter to the Committee indicating

that the INS would decide at some future date whether and when


Faced with these obstructionist tactics, ...
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On April 29th the INS provided the Task Force with a

refined computer run that identified 19,554 first name/last

name/date-of-birth matches between an INS file, with either no

evidence of naturalization or a date of naturalization after

registration, and the Orange County Voter list. The INS

indicated that 4,119 of these persons were registered in the

46th District. An analysis of the 136,052 last name matches by

the Task Force identified 210 exact first name matches not

included in the refined run conducted by the INS. These

additional matches brings the total exact first name matches in

the 46th District to 4,329.
 
mark francis said:
A 1996 cursory congressional investigation into illegal immigrant voting in California found more than 700 votes cast by illegals with the possibility of thousands more, although the investigation was called off without examining the thousands more possible illegal votes.

Proof Of Illegal Voters Falls Short, Keeping Sanchez In House - February 7, 1998 (cnn.com) 2-7-98

Proof Of Illegal Voters Falls Short, Keeping Sanchez In House

Task force Chairman Vernon J. Ehlers, R-Mich., said investigators had found concrete evidence of 748 illegal votes by non-citizens, not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt. He and other Republicans said the results nonetheless show that Dornan's challenge was not frivolous and that the GOP was not unfairly targeting Hispanic voters.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In his Notice, Mr. Dornan alleged the following grounds for

contesting the election: (a) that there were approximately

1,985 more ballots counted than voters voting who were

accounted for in county records; (b) that illegal votes were

cast in that persons cast multiple votes or voted from business

addresses; (c) that absentee ballots were cast improperly; (d)

that under-age voters and non-citizens voted; (e) that

convicted felons may have voted; (f) that the precinct board

made errors sufficient to change the result of the election;

and (g) that there was an error in the vote-counting programs

or summation of ballot counts. ...
While the Democrats controlled Congress for forty years,

there was a consistent denial of access to facts, which

frustrated efforts to uncover possible vote fraud or

malfeasance in our electoral system. ...
There is a fundamental problem with any investigation into

voting by non-citizens. Undocumented or illegal aliens do not

have a paper trail at the INS. The INS only keeps records on

documented, legal aliens. Without more accurate data collection

at the point of registration persons, will be able to register

using fabricated identities and thus will be difficult if not

impossible to detect. ...


Immigration and Naturalization Service Production



On April 24, 1997, the Committee wrote to INS Director

Doris Meissner requesting assistance from the INS. Nearly a

week later, the Committee wrote a letter to Attorney Janet Reno

to request assistance from the INS. However, on May 1st,

instead of providing the Committee the information it

requested, the INS wrote a letter to the Committee indicating

that the INS would decide at some future date whether and when


Faced with these obstructionist tactics, ...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
H. Rept. 105-416 - DISMISSING THE ELECTION CONTEST AGAINST LORETTA SANCHEZ105th Congress (1997-1998)
COMMITTEE REPORT
Hide Overview

Report Type:
House Report

Accompanies:
H.Res.355

Committees:
House Oversight Committee
Listen to this page
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_______________________________________________________________________
105th Congress Report

2d Session HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 105-416

_______________________________________________________________________




On April 29th the INS provided the Task Force with a

refined computer run that identified 19,554 first name/last

name/date-of-birth matches between an INS file, with either no

evidence of naturalization or a date of naturalization after

registration, and the Orange County Voter list. The INS

indicated that 4,119 of these persons were registered in the

46th District. An analysis of the 136,052 last name matches by

the Task Force identified 210 exact first name matches not

included in the refined run conducted by the INS. These

additional matches brings the total exact first name matches in

the 46th District to 4,329.
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700? sure, maybe, out of tens of millions of votes.. you've got a bit farther to go to get to "millions" lol.
 
mark francis said:
Putting aside the fact that govedrnment obstructions to investigations leave us incapable of providing truth one way or another, …
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yet in posts after posts you claim you have proven voter fraud. This imo is a waste of bandwidth. Some gaslightings actually are mildly smart. Your claims are beyond stupid. It is literally evident from your own posts that your claims are inane and outlandish and full of crap.
 
pjmret said:
700? sure, maybe, out of tens of millions of votes.. you've got a bit farther to go to get to "millions" lol.
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The facts show that democrats have now opened the door to unlimited practically impossible to expose illegal immigrant voting fraud.
 
Randomguy said:
yet in posts after posts you claim you have proven voter fraud. This imo is a waste of bandwidth. Some gaslightings actually are mildly smart. Your claims are beyond stupid. It is literally evident from your own posts that your claims are inane and outlandish and full of crap.
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Nobody has irrefutably proven anything on either side but the evidence of unchecked and unrefuted voting fraud remains the gorilla in the room.
 
mark francis said:
It has been illegal for non-citizens to vote in California for decades, but how can we be sure non-citizens are not voting? We can't. Some state laws prohibit cross checks between illegal immigrant records and voting lists. In other words, laws preventing illegals from voting in most states are nothing but deceptive covers designed to fool the public into falsely thinking state laws prevent illegals from breaking the laws on a massive scale.

Illegals have been voting in California for decades and that fact is forever emblazoned in the Congressional Record. Democrats, not republicans, have been 'fighting like hell' for decades to legalize illegal immigrant voting. If Kackles and her Rambo warrior running mate win in 2024 we will likely see the legalization of all sorts of corrupt democrat voting, including voting by non Americans.

https://votingrightslab.org/2024/03/13/analysis-the-truth-about-false-claims-of-noncitizen-voting/ 3-13-24


False Claims of Noncitizen Voting

by Voting Rights Lab
March 13, 2024
About This Analysis
Only U.S. citizens may vote in federal and statewide elections. Potential voters must attest, under penalty of perjury, that they are U.S. citizens in order to register to vote – and states take additional steps to ensure that noncitizens are not on their voter registration lists. Although there is no evidence that the current systems are not working, or that noncitizen voting is a problem, some states are currently considering – and adopting – new laws that go too far, risking purges of U.S. citizens from their voter registration lists.

Notice the leftist hype. The false claim based upon nothing but assumptions is made that illegal voting is not happening. Notice also that the leftist writer condemns voting security measures that would close windows to unreported illegal voting, claiming voting security measures "go too far." The leftist promotion of illegal voting has found support in a SCOTUS decision:

In the letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland, Republican Mississippi Secretary of State Michael Watson wrote that a Biden-signed executive order has led to agencies under Mr. Garland’s charge “attempting to register people to vote, including potentially ineligible felons and to co-opt state and local officials into accomplishing this goal.” ...

The problem, according to Mr. Watson, is that those materials may be given to people who can’t vote such as felons and illegal aliens. State officials are also essentially being forced to comply with the rules, he said.

“Our understanding is that everyone in the Marshals’ custody is given a form advising them of their right to register and vote,” his letter said, according to Fox News. “Providing ineligible non-citizens with information on how to register to vote undoubtedly encourages them to illegally register to vote, exposing them to legal jeopardy beyond their immigration status.”

The letter said that the secretary of state’s office believes that providing a form to illegal immigrants who are jailed to advise them of their right to vote “undoubtedly encourages them to illegally” do so and exposes them to “legal jeopardy.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

https://votingrightslab.org/2024/03/13/analysis-the-truth-about-false-claims-of-noncitizen-voting/ 3-13-24

However, some states have tried to implement additional requirements for registrants to prove U.S. citizenship – and federal courts have blocked many of these efforts. For example, Arizona voters approved a ballot measure in 2004 to require registrants to provide documentary proof of citizenship (DPOC), such as a birth certificate or naturalization paperwork, in order to have their voter registration approved. The U.S. Supreme Court went on to block enforcement of this provision for federal elections – holding that Congress has the primary authority to set the rules for federal elections under the Constitution.[1] Since this ruling, Arizona has operated a bifurcated voter registration system – meaning voters who wish to participate in state or local elections must provide DPOC, while those who only wish to participate in federal elections can attest to their citizenship under penalty of law.

Seeking to test the limits of the Supreme Court ruling, the Arizona legislature recently passed a law in 2022 imposing new restrictions, including prohibiting voters from participating in federal presidential elections – and from voting by mail in federal elections – unless they provide documentary proof of citizenship. On February 29, a federal district court issued its final ruling concluding that these provisions of the Arizona law and several others violate federal laws and may not be enforced.
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Same old hate filled shit.
 
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