That is truly appalling if 22% of Americans would not vote for Romney because of religion.
From that , it looks like he'd be more likely to win were he Jewish. Interesting.
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That is truly appalling if 22% of Americans would not vote for Romney because of religion.
From that , it looks like he'd be more likely to win were he Jewish. Interesting.
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pocketfullofshells
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I doubt they could win if they where Jewish , at least practicing, as people would go to that old idea that they would be beholden to Israels interest more then the US like Catholics who people felt would listen to Rome over the US...though I think they would do better then just about any other non Christian Religion. Can you imagine a Buddist, Hindu, Muslim, president? I can't. Hard enough to even win a house seat for them. Can you imagine someone running saying they did not believe in God? they would be crushed...
Don't forget, just because you would vote for them, does not mean America would.
That's true, unfortunately. We're not electing a pastor, after all.
I plan to vote for Romney. His religion bothers me not one whit. If he were to lose on that account, it would be a real black mark on the voters of this great nation, IMO.
This is the protection afforded by the Constitution. As is typically the case with thise who feel as you do, you overstate the protection you may expect. It is helpful to remember that quite a lot of people came here specifically for religious freedom and these few simple provide it beautifully. To think that the Founders did not appreciate diversity in faith is simply untrue.
It does not demand or prohibit tolerance. Nor do most faiths call for tolerance. Unless you feel that being homosexual is a religion it enjoys no protection.
Its understandable that you would prefer all Americans to be like you but I suspect you already know that's not going to happen nor should it. For your insistence of tolerance you demonstrate a real intolerance to the people you deride at length.
Me ? I'm happy to have you and yours feel as you do (to the extent that you do not attempt to interfere with free exersise). I even pray that God will touch your heart at some point and you turn from sin.
pocketfullofshells
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whats funny about this thread, is watching the right wingers trying to go against all the things normally they say...like this is a Christian nation...or that Religion and Government should not be Separate...
Jesus would not care for the US....And I bet would really hate the Republican Party. A party for the Rich ..
Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. 'Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.
Luke 4:16-19 When he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, he went to the synagogue on the sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written:
'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour.'
Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.
Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."
Luke 16:19-25 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man's table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried.
In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony.
aka Jesus would be called a Socialist for saying these things
Jesus would not care for the US....And I bet would really hate the Republican Party. A party for the Rich ..
Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. 'Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.
Luke 4:16-19 When he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, he went to the synagogue on the sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written:
'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour.'
Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.
Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."
Luke 16:19-25 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man's table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried.
In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony.
aka Jesus would be called a Socialist for saying these things
The USA is more religious than Australia. Here only about 15% go to any church. We have an Atheist Prime Minister. Would the USA elect an Afhtist. I do not know but I know you have elected a Catholic President. I doubt if religion matters much even in the USA
It matters to the Christian right, but they wouldn't vote for a Democrat if he were running against Voldemort.
pocketfullofshells
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recent polls showed that Americans trusted Atheist at about the same amount if not less then Muslims...Only someone who did not live in the US , would think Religion does not matter...there is a reason we have whats called...the bible belt.
pocketfullofshells
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can I ask, and you can pm me, or set up a new thread if don';t want to derail this one....but do you actuly like Mitt...or just voting against Obama.
I like Mitt. I voted for him in the primary in '08. I think he would have won had he been nominated. We need someone in the WH with some business experience and some knowledge of economics if we're ever going to get this nation back on track financially.
Oh, and to get the thread back on track, I'm convinced he's a Christian.
pocketfullofshells
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I would not think of him as a Christian...there is far to much difference to me...Its like saying Christians are Jewish...or Muslims are Christian. They may pray to the same God...but there are distinct breaks in the religions based on where "prophets" of some form Appear. That said I could care less about what Religion someone is when voting...its what they do with it I care about. After all I don't think anyone of my Religious view will be ever in office in my lifetime.
Religion certainly does matter in the US.. One sure way to tank a campaign here is to talk about separating faith and state.
It is a terrible mistake to think that God is responsible for the actions of people who claim to be His followers. A world full of hypocrites cannot save people from a God they reject.
It’s nice to point to hypocrites for excuses, but there is nothing they can do to better your odds. God has already determined their fate. The occurrence of hypocrisy is more negative than anything. It demonstrates how difficult it is to resist sin.
Most folks spend far too much time assessing the sins of other people. The fact that people are unable to live perfect lives is not really breaking news. Instead of measuring our lives by what hypocrites do, we need to model our lives after the One who set the perfect example.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6).
It is a terrible mistake to think that God is responsible for the actions of people who claim to be His followers. A world full of hypocrites cannot save people from a God they reject.
It’s nice to point to hypocrites for excuses, but there is nothing they can do to better your odds. God has already determined their fate. The occurrence of hypocrisy is more negative than anything. It demonstrates how difficult it is to resist sin.
Most folks spend far too much time assessing the sins of other people. The fact that people are unable to live perfect lives is not really breaking news. Instead of measuring our lives by what hypocrites do, we need to model our lives after the One who set the perfect example.
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6).
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