Can you define unsustainable?

[Gipper]

The entire western financial system is built on debt… it’s an anti-capitalist system set-up to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. It started in 1913, when Woodrow Wilson was bribed by the same ultra-wealthy banking families who have raped and pillaged innocent citizens for years. The bribe was to allow these families…the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans, etc… to enslave the people of the U.S. with The Federal Reserve Bank and the Internal Revenue Service. Oh, what a great year in history. With the founding of The Fed and the IRS, things were now on a very slippery slope for the U.S., leading to periods of rampant inflation and unemployment, the U.S. government’s confiscation of citizen’s gold occurring in 1933 and one of the final nails in the financial coffin of the U.S. in 1971, when Nixon took the U.S. dollar (aka The Federal Reserve Note) off of the gold standard… turning it into a completely fiat currency…or as many people now know it…fake currency.
With all of these disastrous events on the books, government debt rising to stratospheric and unpayable levels…and the government once again looking to seize the assets of their citizens in order to pay for the outrageously ridiculous governmental debts and obligations.

I think that explains it all rather well. But apparently our political class (both Ds and Rs) fails to comprehend. Once it all collapses, many will proclaim it is the fault of CAPITALISM (particular if an R is POTUS....remember that nasty capitalist Hebert Hoover???....). When anyone with a functioning brain knows we do NOT have capitalism and also knows the true culprit.

Then the fun will begin...

edited to help with an inadvertent omission : )

 

[dogtowner]

hmmm capitalism responsible for government spending wrecklessly ?

well the fringe has been trying to sell that snake oil so I guess they'll try.

but the answer is a return to capitalism from the mess we have now. wouldn't that be nice ?

 

[Gipper]

I think that explains it all rather well. But apparently our political class (both Ds and Rs) fails to comprehend. Once it all collapses, many will proclaim it is the fault of CAPITALISM (particular if an R is POTUS....remember that nasty capitalist Hebert Hoover???....). When anyone with a functioning brain knows we do NOT have capitalism and also knows the true culprit.

Then the fun will begin...

My mistake....the word "NOT" was missing....how in the world did I do that?....CRAZY....

 

[dogtowner]

My mistake....the word "NOT" was missing....how in the world did I do that?....CRAZY....

a friend in need is a friend indeed. mistake corrected.

 

[Cruella]

but the answer is a return to capitalism from the mess we have now. wouldn't that be nice ?

As long as it's not croney capitalism. We have to get lobbyists and quid pro quo out of our government.
Make it a capital offense if our lawmakers engage in that.

 

[dogtowner]

As long as it's not croney capitalism. We have to get lobbyists and quid pro quo out of our government.
Make it a capital offense if our lawmakers engage in that.

cronyism isn't capitalism.

cut the budget back to constitutional levels and you wipe out much of K-Street.

 

[GenSeneca]

As long as it's not croney capitalism. We have to get lobbyists and quid pro quo out of our government.
Make it a capital offense if our lawmakers engage in that.

It comes down to two opposing ideologies, Collectivism not only allows but encourages a Corporatist style of government where Americans are not seen or treated as individuals but members of specific groups that are pitted against one another by the politicians - Both R's and D's are guilty of this just to different degrees - and only the Politicians and Government wins, the individual will always lose in such a battle.

Individualism must defeat Collectivism for there to be any hope of eliminating cronyism in Washington. Sadly, most Americans have no idea what Individualism or Collectivism are and don't care enough to learn. The insidious ideology of "Pragmatism" has a stranglehold on much of the American public (especially "independents") and it has convinced people that compromise and bi-partisanship are Good and refusing to compromise on ideological principle, being partisan, is Bad. (I've had many discussions with PLC on that very topic)

Just as the immoral practice of enslaving blacks to whites was not resolved through compromise, the immoral practice of enslaving individuals to the collective will also not end through compromise.

 

[Gipper]

a friend in need is a friend indeed. mistake corrected.

Thanks much.

 

[Gipper]

It comes down to two opposing ideologies, Collectivism not only allows but encourages a Corporatist style of government where Americans are not seen or treated as individuals but members of specific groups that are pitted against one another by the politicians - Both R's and D's are guilty of this just to different degrees - and only the Politicians and Government wins, the individual will always lose in such a battle.

Individualism must defeat Collectivism for there to be any hope of eliminating cronyism in Washington. Sadly, most Americans have no idea what Individualism or Collectivism are and don't care enough to learn. The insidious ideology of "Pragmatism" has a stranglehold on much of the American public (especially "independents") and it has convinced people that compromise and bi-partisanship are Good and refusing to compromise on ideological principle, being partisan, is Bad. (I've had many discussions with PLC on that very topic)

Just as the immoral practice of enslaving blacks to whites was not resolved through compromise, the immoral practice of enslaving individuals to the collective will also not end through compromise.

I think we can all agree that Crony Capitalism is NOT Capitalism. Free market Capitalism is the solution. However, who here thinks we are headed for free market capitalism or a society based on individualism?

I see nothing on the horizon that would indicate a return to individualism and free market capitalism. I am betting that once the national government defaults and the economy spirals down into a nasty Greater Depression, Capitalism will get the blame just as it was wrongly blamed for the Great Depression of the 1930s. Then, the national government will get EVEN larger and more powerful. It will all be over then.....we will all forced into collectivism.

I fear that our nation is too far gone. I hope I am wrong, but looking at the state of our political class, I suspect I am right. Obama nor Romney have any intention of fixing things.

It just might be time to bug out.

 

[GenSeneca]

It just might be time to bug out.

The Principality of Sealand​

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Sealand was founded as a sovereign Principality in 1967 in international waters, six miles off the eastern shores of Britain. The history of Sealand is a story of a struggle for liberty. Sealand was founded on the principle that any group of people dissatisfied with the oppressive laws and restrictions of existing nation states may declare independence in any place not claimed to be under the jurisdiction of another sovereign entity. The location chosen was Roughs Tower, an island fortress created in World War II by Britain and subsequently abandoned to the jurisdiction of the High Seas.​

The independence of Sealand was upheld in a 1968 British court decision where the judge held that Roughs Tower stood in international waters and did not fall under the legal jurisdiction of the United Kingdom. This gave birth to Sealand's national motto of E Mare Libertas, or "From the Sea, Freedom".​

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Seasteading: the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea, called seasteads, outside the territory claimed by the government of any standing nation. Outside the Exclusive Economic Zone of 200 nautical miles (370 km), which countries can claim according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the high seas are not subject to the laws of any sovereign nation other than the flag under which a ship sails. [A] seastead might be able to take advantage of the looser laws and regulations that exist outside the sovereignty of nations, and be largely self-governing.​

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Since I don't have an abandoned fort in international waters, and I don't have a few billion to spend on building a seastead, I'm looking at something on a much smaller scale and within my working class budget for when I go Galt. Something along the lines of this 32' Hunter Vision:

Ah... Freedom.

 

[Cruella]

He's done with the freefall and has pulled the first chute - the chute is now visable

 

[Cruella]

Now he's landed safely

 

[Gipper]

The Principality of Sealand​

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Sealand was founded as a sovereign Principality in 1967 in international waters, six miles off the eastern shores of Britain. The history of Sealand is a story of a struggle for liberty. Sealand was founded on the principle that any group of people dissatisfied with the oppressive laws and restrictions of existing nation states may declare independence in any place not claimed to be under the jurisdiction of another sovereign entity. The location chosen was Roughs Tower, an island fortress created in World War II by Britain and subsequently abandoned to the jurisdiction of the High Seas.​

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The independence of Sealand was upheld in a 1968 British court decision where the judge held that Roughs Tower stood in international waters and did not fall under the legal jurisdiction of the United Kingdom. This gave birth to Sealand's national motto of E Mare Libertas, or "From the Sea, Freedom".​

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Seasteading: the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea, called seasteads, outside the territory claimed by the government of any standing nation. Outside the Exclusive Economic Zone of 200 nautical miles (370 km), which countries can claim according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the high seas are not subject to the laws of any sovereign nation other than the flag under which a ship sails. [A] seastead might be able to take advantage of the looser laws and regulations that exist outside the sovereignty of nations, and be largely self-governing.​

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Since I don't have an abandoned fort in international waters, and I don't have a few billion to spend on building a seastead, I'm looking at something on a much smaller scale and within my working class budget for when I go Galt. Something along the lines of this 32' Hunter Vision:

Ah... Freedom.

Love sailing and love the idea, but a 32' boat is not going to cut it on the open ocean. Suggest you get something a bit larger or you may find yourself drowning instead of living free.

And alas, my wife gets sea sick in the bathtub, so I won't be joining you.

 

[Gipper]

From the Great Ludwig von Mises....he puts into words the complete and utter fallacy that is socialism.

This is a master piece. Written in 1944.

“The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office. Every man but one a subordinate clerk in a bureau. What an alluring utopia! What a noble cause to fight!”