Bush/Cheney warmongering exposed in new book

Euroweenies only complain about US "warmongering" when it's other than our periodic efforts to rescue your decaying civilization from your latest dictator,
They are complaining now... they do not have dictators, and their economies are not only not decaying, but better than ours. They have medical care for everyone(...not only the rich), and in Holland, Denmark, Sweden (and others) have a higher standard of living than ours.
It seems with the expenditures on warmongering, we are the ones with a decaying civilization (economy). It would seem that you can have a good economy or frequent wars, but not both.
 
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and in Holland, Denmark, Sweden (and others) have a higher standard of living than ours.

as do a lot of other nations too. But they don't brag about it.


sadly, the neo cons believe that WAR IS PROFIT and ergo helps the economy. But it is profit only for a select few.


( good post , hermit. )
 
They are complaining now... they do not have dictators,

Thanks to the US bailing them out.

and their economies are not only not decaying, but better than ours.

Their economies aren't better than ours, and I said their civilization is decaying. They have negative population growth rates, and are importing islamics by the trainload, who are changing their societies for the worse.

They have medical care for everyone(...not only the rich),

That's hogwash - they have eight month waiting lists for everyone, rationed procedures and medicine, illegalization of lifesaving cures, readily available in the US, that their bureaucrats deem too expensive, and hundreds of thousands of "medical tourist" going abroad for treatment, not preferring the soicalized "medicine" alternative of dropping dead.

and in Holland, Denmark, Sweden (and others) have a higher standard of living than ours.

I lived in sweden for six months, and that's just false. Such phony claims are usually based on rigged UN statistics that give countries brownie points for how statist and socialized they are.
 
lifesaving cures, readily available in the US


yes, they are "available" but not to everyone. Only those who are wealthy or have the "right" amount of insurance.


but this is digressing from the warmongers who instigate wars for their own political and greed based agenda.
 
Thanks to the US bailing them out.
Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands have figurehead Kings/Queens with Parliaments, not dictators. No European country has "dictator" that we have to save them from.

Their economies aren't better than ours, and I said their civilization is decaying. They have negative population growth rates, and are importing Islamics by the trainload, who are changing their societies for the worse.
Euro is worth how many dollars? Foreclosure of homes in Europe is what rate? Low growth rates have no bearing on this discussion. They are not "importing Islamics", Islamic peoples are immigrating there for a better life.

That's hogwash - they have eight month waiting lists for everyone
Prove it. U.K. and Canada have waiting lists, but such lists could be eliminated by better funding. Nevertheless, Canada spends less per capita on medical care that the U.S. does.

illegalization of lifesaving cures, readily available in the US, that their bureaucrats deem too expensive,
Prove it.


and hundreds of thousands of "medical tourist" going abroad for treatment, not preferring the socialized "medicine" alternative of dropping dead.
Prove it.

I lived in sweden for six months, and that's just false. Such phony claims are usually based on rigged UN statistics that give countries brownie points for how statist and socialized they are.
Prove it.

I lived in sweden for six months...
Did that happen to be during the Viet Nam war by any chance?
 
yes, they are "available" but not to everyone. Only those who are wealthy or have the "right" amount of insurance.


but this is digressing from the warmongers who instigate wars for their own political and greed based agenda.

You don't know what you're talking about - that kind of leftwing agitprop is circulated till all the morons believe it. There was a big story about an ILLEGAL ALIEN woman getting a heart transplant in Los Angeles - cost (not paid by her of course) $500,000. ALL poor people are eligible for a government program called Medicaid which pays their medical costs, and the idea that only the rich can afford medical care is outright stupid - almost anyone with a job has medical insurance. Don't you feel stupid now? You certainly LOOK stupid! :D
 
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Thanks to the US bailing them out.

Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands have figurehead Kings/Queens with Parliaments, not dictators. No European country has "dictator" that we have to save them from.

Geeeez, what a 'tard. :D Denmark and the Netherlands were LIBERATED from the nazis under DICTATOR adolf hitler in WWII, by anglo-american armed forces. Sweden wasn't occupied because it got rich during WWII selling Krupp Steel high grade iron ore. Learn some history, OK Einstein???

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Their economies aren't better than ours, and I said their civilization is decaying. They have negative population growth rates, and are importing Islamics by the trainload, who are changing their societies for the worse.

Euro is worth how many dollars? Foreclosure of homes in Europe is what rate? Low growth rates have no bearing on this discussion. They are not "importing Islamics", Islamic peoples are immigrating there for a better life.

The exchange rate for currency has always fluctuated, and the only reason why their aren't massive foreclosures in other countries is because no other country makes it as easy to get a house as in the US. Econ 101, just for you: The foreclosures are just the market operating to take back houses from people who bet on continuously rising real estate market, who weren't really qualified buyers, and has nothing at all to do with US long term economic prospects.

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That's hogwash - they have eight month waiting lists for everyone

Prove it. U.K. and Canada have waiting lists, but such lists could be eliminated by better funding. Nevertheless, Canada spends less per capita on medical care that the U.S. does.

I'm not going to spend hours repairing your ignorance. Google NHS and "horror story", or canadian health service and "horror story" and READ. :rolleyes:

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illegalization of lifesaving cures, readily available in the US, that their bureaucrats deem too expensive,

Prove it.

Ditto - tons of this stuff is on the net - go read.

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and hundreds of thousands of "medical tourist" going abroad for treatment, not preferring the socialized "medicine" alternative of dropping dead.

Prove it.

Google "medical tourism" and Britain.

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I lived in sweden for six months, and that's just false. Such phony claims are usually based on rigged UN statistics that give countries brownie points for how statist and socialized they are.

Prove it.

You prove your original claim. Do not use UN stats.

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I lived in sweden for six months...

Did that happen to be during the Viet Nam war by any chance?

I worked there in 2001 - almost everyone lives in state built apartments. Prices for consumer goods are way higher than in the US. Many of the houses that do exist have iron roofs. :D There isn't anything like vast suburban tracts of houses as in the US. Everyone there has a personnummer - other than foriegners, you have to have one for everything you do, so that they can track you - something that US libs would say was a plot by "neocons". :p Car ownership isn't anywhere near the US.

Much of Sweden's prosperity was built on their WWII "neutrality". They emerged unscathed from the war, and ready to fill Marshall Plan contracts to countries that were devastated because they valiantly fought the nazis. They also profited hugely from supplying the nazi war machine that murdered half of europe.
 
... almost anyone with a job has medical insurance.
Walmart, McDonald's, Burger King, Child care providers,etc., etc., most low-paid jobs have no insurance. Many make too much for Medicaid...Nevertheless, fewer and fewer employers are offering insurance to their employees, and the ones that do, are opting for packages that have higher co-pays and deductibles. People end up not using the insurance because they cannot afford even the co-pays and the deductables...from jobs that pay at a no disposable income level.
 
Talking of making huge profits from the Nazi war machine the grandfather of G W Bush had his factory forcibly closed down for continuing to supply the Nazis in WW2 after orders to stop.
 
The exchange rate for currency has always fluctuated, and the only reason why their aren't massive foreclosures in other countries is because no other country makes it as easy to get a house as in the US. Econ 101, just for you: The foreclosures are just the market operating to take back houses from people who bet on continuously rising real estate market, who weren't really qualified buyers, and has nothing at all to do with US long term economic prospects.
The reason that the Euro is worth nearly twice what the dollar is, is that peoples of the world have lost faith in the stability of the dollar because of the American (Conservative administrating caused), recession. The reason people are losing their homes is that they have lost their jobs because of the recession. Most of the people losing their homes are not speculators, but family single-home buyers.


I'm not going to spend hours repairing your ignorance. Google NHS and "horror story", or canadian health service and "horror story" and READ. :rolleyes:
I conceded waiting lists in U.K. and Canada. However, other countries that have socialized heath care do not have as you stated: "eight month waiting lists". Wait lists are defacto evidence that the programs are generally underfunded...if sufficiently funded, there would be no waiting lists. When it comes to "horror story"'s, we have enough of them concerning the poor in this country.

Ditto - tons of this stuff is on the net - go read.
Bull**** dodge.

Google "medical tourism" and Britain.
Bull**** dodge. What of other countries? France, Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden?

You prove your original claim. Do not use UN stats.
Bull**** dodge. Or, as you say: "Ditto - tons of this stuff is on the net - go read." What stats do you want me to read? Some artical by a conservative?

I worked there in 2001 - almost everyone lives in state built apartments.
No homeless in every medium to large city like in the U.S., how primitive!

Prices for consumer goods are way higher than in the US.
What! no food banks, church sponsored soup kitchens like in the wonderful ole USA!

Many of the houses that do exist have iron roofs.
Iron [sic, steel] roofs are a new innovation that is just beginning to be use in the U.S. Fewer joints for leaking, more resilient, longer lived than asphalt shingles. Wow! Sweden seems more advanced in roofing technology than the U.S.

There isn't anything like vast suburban tracts of houses as in the US.
No, but they are a small country with public transportation that does not lend itself to spread-out suburban living. Nor do they have the problem like the U.S. losing vast amounts of farm land to suburban sprawl.


Everyone there has a personnummer - other than foreigners, you have to have one for everything you do, so that they can track you - something that US libs would say was a plot by "neocons". :p
We also have a personal number...it is called a Social Security Number...where the hell have you been?

Car ownership isn't anywhere near the US.
Because 1. They are a small country with good public transportation. 2. They live in apartments that lend themselves to centralized public transportation. They do not need individual automobiles. To bad they do not...then they would have the problems like in the U.S. with pollution caused by cars.

Much of Sweden's prosperity was built on their WWII "neutrality". They emerged unscathed from the war, and ready to fill Marshall Plan contracts to countries that were devastated because they valiantly fought the Nazis.
We profited with a prosperity after the war because we did not have our infrastructure of factories and shipping destroyed like virtually every other industrialized country in the world. But where is our prosperity now that we have pissed away 3 billion a week on the Iraq war. Whereas Sweden seems to still be prosperous. Go figure?

They also profited hugely from supplying the nazi war machine that murdered half of Europe.
Other than Iron Ore, of course you are not going to prove that either are you? And of course you are not going to mention that Sweden violated its neutrality by making it possible that American and other allies could easily "escape" and return to England when supposedly interned in Sweden. Likewise, ignore the fact the Sweden had to cooperate some with the Nazi's to keep from being invaded because it was the safe haven for thousands of Jews from Denmark and other parts of Europe.
 
Walmart, McDonald's, Burger King, Child care providers,etc., etc., most low-paid jobs have no insurance. Many make too much for Medicaid...Nevertheless, fewer and fewer employers are offering insurance to their employees, and the ones that do, are opting for packages that have higher co-pays and deductibles. People end up not using the insurance because they cannot afford even the co-pays and the deductables...from jobs that pay at a no disposable income level.

Quite frankly, if you dropped out of high school (which was free), knocked up your girlfriend and had to get a job (your own fault), or could not be bothered to learn how to read (your own fault) then it is your own fault you are trying to make ends meet at McDonalds. Add to that, most of the people who work there are teenagers and that is not their career or their means of support.
 
Walmart, McDonald's, Burger King, Child care providers,etc., etc., most low-paid jobs have no insurance. Many make too much for Medicaid...Nevertheless, fewer and fewer employers are offering insurance to their employees, and the ones that do, are opting for packages that have higher co-pays and deductibles. People end up not using the insurance because they cannot afford even the co-pays and the deductables...from jobs that pay at a no disposable income level.

Uh, Walmart does have insurance. The fast food chains and such have jobs that nobody should expect to make a living on - they are basically the sort of thing for healthy teenagers who are working part time while going to school, and many such jobs are held by illegal aliens. But people have got to understand that health care is intrinsically expensive, and they have to regard it as a major cost, not something they ridiculously should expect for free. That's true where ever - socialized systems merely offer rationed care at a very low level, exclude pricey drugs, rip off medicines invented by US companies, and exclude older patients (50s) from major operations by fiat - there just is no free lunch.
 
The reason that the Euro is worth nearly twice what the dollar is, is that peoples of the world have lost faith in the stability of the dollar because of the American (Conservative administrating caused), recession. The reason people are losing their homes is that they have lost their jobs because of the recession. Most of the people losing their homes are not speculators, but family single-home buyers.

Who should never have been buying them in the first place. But they did thanks to moronic legislation that basically demanded that banks give them loans.

The Euro and the Dollar will go in cycles, but the Dollar is weak due to the high price of oil, inflation, the housing slowdown (not republican caused) which lead to the financial crisis.

Also, should you follow the European economy at all, you will notice that their FED is terrified that they are about to hit a recession, thanks to his anti-inflation policies.

I conceded waiting lists in U.K. and Canada. However, other countries that have socialized heath care do not have as you stated: "eight month waiting lists". Wait lists are defacto evidence that the programs are generally underfunded...if sufficiently funded, there would be no waiting lists. When it comes to "horror story"'s, we have enough of them concerning the poor in this country.

It is a federal law that you can walk into any public ER and you cannot be denied treatment for any reason. If you do not bother to show up, tough.

Iron [sic, steel] roofs are a new innovation that is just beginning to be use in the U.S. Fewer joints for leaking, more resilient, longer lived than asphalt shingles. Wow! Sweden seems more advanced in roofing technology than the U.S.

If he does not like it and he wants the other roof, who is to say he cannot have it? The government?

No, but they are a small country with public transportation that does not lend itself to spread-out suburban living. Nor do they have the problem like the U.S. losing vast amounts of farm land to suburban sprawl.

What is wrong with suburban sprawl? People can live where they want.

We profited with a prosperity after the war because we did not have our infrastructure of factories and shipping destroyed like virtually every other industrialized country in the world. But where is our prosperity now that we have pissed away 3 billion a week on the Iraq war. Whereas Sweden seems to still be prosperous. Go figure?

What do people do when they get US money? They either invest it back in the US (as we are seeing), they take it out of circulation, which makes the other cash for valuable, or they trade it, and then the next person has the same options. Who cares is Arabs have a lot of dollars, it will all come back.
 
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The exchange rate for currency has always fluctuated, and the only reason why their aren't massive foreclosures in other countries is because no other country makes it as easy to get a house as in the US. Econ 101, just for you: The foreclosures are just the market operating to take back houses from people who bet on continuously rising real estate market, who weren't really qualified buyers, and has nothing at all to do with US long term economic prospects.

The reason that the Euro is worth nearly twice what the dollar is, is that peoples of the world have lost faith in the stability of the dollar because of the American (Conservative administrating caused), recession. The reason people are losing their homes is that they have lost their jobs because of the recession. Most of the people losing their homes are not speculators, but family single-home buyers.

The other currencies are high is because the succession of lib and RINO presidents since Reagan have done nothing about energy. "Conservative" is not involved. The people who rolled the dice and lost their homes with risky loans they couldn't pay CAUSED the slowed economic condidtions - you have that ass backwards.

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I'm not going to spend hours repairing your ignorance. Google NHS and "horror story", or canadian health service and "horror story" and READ.

I conceded waiting lists in U.K. and Canada. However, other countries that have socialized heath care do not have as you stated: "eight month waiting lists". Wait lists are defacto evidence that the programs are generally underfunded...if sufficiently funded, there would be no waiting lists. When it comes to "horror story"'s, we have enough of them concerning the poor in this country.

No really - go READ that stuff.


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Ditto - tons of this stuff is on the net - go read.

Bull**** dodge.

READ IT - don't be afraid! :D

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Google "medical tourism" and Britain.

Bull**** dodge. What of other countries? France, Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden?

EVERYONE, right now, google "medical tourism" and Britain, and see who is doing the "Bull**** dodge".


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You prove your original claim. Do not use UN stats.

Bull**** dodge. Or, as you say: "Ditto - tons of this stuff is on the net - go read." What stats do you want me to read? Some artical by a conservative?

Too chicken to look at the facts? Figures. I am not going to undertake the massive task of repairing your ignorance - I've told you exactly what to look at - you have a LOT to read - come back when you have a clue. :rolleyes:

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I worked there in 2001 - almost everyone lives in state built apartments.

No homeless in every medium to large city like in the U.S., how primitive!

Sweden doesn't have 20 million illegal aliens, and the tens of millions of blacks with their social pathologies - and there ARE homeless in swededn.

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Prices for consumer goods are way higher than in the US.

What! no food banks, church sponsored soup kitchens like in the wonderful ole USA!

Sweden is a country where everyone goes to work and does what they are supposed to do - it doesn't have all the deadbeats, losers, druggies, illegal aliens, so it doesn't need that stuff.


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Many of the houses that do exist have iron roofs.

Iron [sic, steel] roofs are a new innovation that is just beginning to be use in the U.S. Fewer joints for leaking, more resilient, longer lived than asphalt shingles. Wow! Sweden seems more advanced in roofing technology than the U.S.

Next innovation - iron false teeth! Another socialist miracle!


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There isn't anything like vast suburban tracts of houses as in the US.

No, but they are a small country with public transportation that does not lend itself to spread-out suburban living. Nor do they have the problem like the U.S. losing vast amounts of farm land to suburban sprawl.

They have public transportation because nobody can afford a car, with 50% income tax. And "urban spawl" = having your own house, instead of a sturdy iron-roofed socialist apartment. HA HA HA HA :D



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Everyone there has a personnummer - other than foreigners, you have to have one for everything you do, so that they can track you - something that US libs would say was a plot by "neocons".

We also have a personal number...it is called a Social Security Number...where the hell have you been?

There's no comparison - do you have to give your SS number to rent a video?

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Car ownership isn't anywhere near the US.

Because 1. They are a small country with good public transportation.

Ass backwards as usual - they have tramsbecause nobody can aford cars.

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Much of Sweden's prosperity was built on their WWII "neutrality". They emerged unscathed from the war, and ready to fill Marshall Plan contracts to countries that were devastated because they valiantly fought the Nazis.

We profited with a prosperity after the war because we did not have our infrastructure of factories and shipping destroyed like virtually every other industrialized country in the world. But where is our prosperity now that we have pissed away 3 billion a week on the Iraq war. Whereas Sweden seems to still be prosperous. Go figure?

The difference is that WE FOUGHT the war, and the national debt FAR exceeded any profits - we are STILL paying for WWII. Sweden, on the other hand, sat back and got rich by selling the nazis the wherewithal to destroy millions of people. The difference is so crystal clear even YOU should be able to get it.

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They also profited hugely from supplying the nazi war machine that murdered half of Europe.

Other than Iron Ore, of course you are not going to prove that either are you?

What do you mean "other than iron ore"???? :rolleyes: The key ingredient in armaments of all kinds.

And of course you are not going to mention that Sweden violated its neutrality by making it possible that American and other allies could easily "escape" and return to England when supposedly interned in Sweden. Likewise, ignore the fact the Sweden had to cooperate some with the Nazi's to keep from being invaded because it was the safe haven for thousands of Jews from Denmark and other parts of Europe.

I've never heard that about americans, but I know they did violate their neutrality by allowing german troop trains to cross their territory to invade Norway - a fact of immensely greater consequence than a few swedish INDIVIDUALS having mercy on a few jews.
 
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The other currencies are high is because the succession of lib and RINO presidents since Reagan have done nothing about energy. "Conservative" is not involved. The people who rolled the dice and lost their homes with risky loans they couldn't pay CAUSED the slowed economic condidtions - you have that ass backwards.
What has the Bush administration done for energy? Also, I await proof that the housing crisis came before the recession.
EVERYONE, right now, google "medical tourism" and Britain, and see who is doing the "Bull**** dodge".
I conceded waiting lists in Britain (unless that you do not know that Britain is in the U.K.), and asked you to prove your contention there are always waiting lists with socialized medicine in the other European countries than U.K. and Canada...but you bull$hit dodged by referring again to Brittan.

Too chicken to look at the facts? Figures. I am not going to undertake the massive task of repairing your ignorance - I've told you exactly what to look at - you have a LOT to read - come back when you have a clue. :rolleyes:
You keep referring to articles written by conservatives. This is not proof, "facts", or data, it is opinion.

Sweden doesn't have 20 million illegal aliens, and the tens of millions of blacks with their social pathologies - and there ARE homeless in Sweden.
[then you said:]
Sweden is a country where everyone goes to work and does what they are supposed to do - it doesn't have all the deadbeats, losers, druggies, illegal aliens, so it doesn't need that stuff.
Which is it? There are [significant numbers of] homeless people in Sweden, or "...everyone goes to work and does what they are supposed to do..."?

They have public transportation because nobody can afford a car, with 50% income tax. And "urban spawl" = having your own house, instead of a sturdy iron-roofed socialist apartment.

Ass backwards as usual - they have tramsbecause nobody can aford cars.
Prove nobody can afford a car in Sweden rather than there is little reason to own a car because of the good mass transit system. It is logical that if a person has a convenient method of going to work, groceries, other cities, that owning a car in a small country would just be an unnecessary luxury that would sit most of the time and not be worth the expense. Nevertheless, I am willing to be convinced...show me the proof that Swedes would choose to own a car if they did not have to pay such high taxes. Other wise, admit that you are just shooting off your mouth with an unsubstantiated opinion.

I've never heard that about americans, but I know they did violate their neutrality by allowing german troop trains to cross their territory to invade Norway - a fact of immensely greater consequence than a few Swedish INDIVIDUALS having mercy on a few jews.
Again, show proof that they allowed German troop trains to cross their territory before you refer to it as a "fact". I would like to see a German troop train crossing the Baltic Sea on its way to Sweden. Do you know where Sweden is? If the Germans crossed Sweden on trains, they would have had to be Swedish trains, after landing in Sweden from ships.

It was not INDIVIDUALS, it was the policy of their GOVERNMENT to grant sanitary to the Jews who made it to Sweden (the proof for this exists in several documentaries). Can you say: "Raoul Wallenberg"?
 
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