mark francis
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Not being able to find a court ruling that said no such fraud occurred, let's see what Democrats had to say about the evidence of dead people voting (we know biased news sources are not as authoritative as a court judgment but since we can find no court judgment let's look at the opinionated but unauthoritative news sources):
Fact check: False claim that 14,000 dead people voted in Michigan (usatoday.com)
11-8-20
Fact check: No evidence that 14,000 dead people cast ballots in Wayne County, Michigan
USA TODAY:0911
The claim: 14,000 dead people voted in Wayne County, Michigan
Attempting to discredit election results in a battleground state, a number of social media posts shared this week make the claim that thousands of voters in Michigan had cast a ballot under the names of deceased people.
"Here is a list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit)," reads a Facebook post from The Liberalists that directs to an invalid link. The page asks users to "verify it" by doing a search of the names on the Michigan Voter Information Center.
In a message to USA TODAY, The Liberalists said the link was to a database list of dead people you could put in yourself, but that the link was removed by Facebook. (In recent witness testimony before Congress Facebook was found to have caved to pressure from the bent FBI and other corrupted agencies to remove links in 2020 that contradicted Democrat narratives.)
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The claim caused some speculation and controversy in the comment section. Some users wrote that the list contains registered voters, but it doesn't mean they actually voted. (The claim that there is no proof they voted is misleading. There is also no proof that they did not vote.)
Another user wrote, "every american should be checking their dead relatives." (The idea that Americans should investigate these claims of fraud is mocked by these fact checkers who should have agreed with the statement, proving leftists did not want voting fraud investigated.)
Many voters on list are old, but still alive. (Another unproven and immaterial claim, since no effort is made by the fact checkers to distinguish how many on the list were still alive and how the checkers arrived at their number, though likely very small compared to the large number of those votes in the names of the dead.)
The link that the user claimed to be evidence is no longer available. The site reads that it has been "expired, removed by its creator, or removed by one of the Pastebin staff." (Just because a link is taken down does not mean the facts posted on the link were not accurate and we do not know id leftists took the link down as they did so many other non-Democrat links they took down in a concerted effort by Democrats to censor Republican facts and evidence before and after the 2020m election.)
However, while the link was still live, PolitiFact found that the voters listed were over the age of 100 but several were not marked in Michigan's voter information center and not all were Wayne County residents.
One of the alleged dead voters listed, Imo Oliver, of Ypsilanti, is still alive, according to PolitiFact. She said she suffered from memory loss but that her son helped her to vote in the 2020 election. (One voter is shown to still be alive, leaving nearly 14,000 purported dead voters still not disproven.)
Fact check:False claim that deceased Michigan man voted in 2020 (Not evidence that around 14,000 dead people did not vote.)
Fact check: Lawsuit alleging errors in Detroit voter rolls was in 2019 and was settled (Not proof that nearly 14,000 dead people did not vote.)
The Michigan Secretary of State's office states on its fact-check page that ballots of voters who have died are rejected in Michigan, even if a voter cast an absentee ballot and then died prior to Election Day. (Unverified claim).
"On rare occasions, a ballot received for a living voter may be recorded in a way that makes it appear as if the voter is dead," the site reads. "This can be because of voters with similar names, where the ballot is accidentally recorded as voted by John Smith Sr when it was actually voted by John Smith Jr; or because of inaccurately recorded birth dates in the qualified voter file." (Another unverified claim. Don't tell us what was supposed to happen. Explain why so many dead people still voted in violation of the rules, or else offer proof they did not vote. Saying they were not supposed to have voted proves nothing.)
For example, a voter born in 1990 can be accidentally recorded as being born in 1890, but in this type of scenario, no one ineligible actually voted and there is "no impact on the outcome of the election," according to the site. (The case of one vaguely referenced voter hardly proves that thousands of dead people did not vote.)
This was the case in an example cited in a viral video on Twitter. Amanda Kirkpatrick, the clerk in Jackson County, Michigan, told The New York Times that a resident used in one of the videos was actually an eligible voter who had cast her ballot but had the incorrect date of the birth. (Another lone example hardly disproves the evidence of 14,000 dead people voting.)
Michigan’s Secretary of State office debunked as "misinformation" the claim that a 118-year-old man named William Bradley had cast an absentee ballot, USA TODAY reported. (Another single example that cannot be used to dismiss all 14,000 names of dead voters who voted.)
