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[Pandora]

We have been staring down the wrong end of the rifle with North Korea for a long time. Obama inherited this mess. Rattling sabres, BWB style, has not worked with North Korea. They have a few nukes, and can get them as far as Japan. Not good.

It's long past time to experiment and to see if there is any way out of this mess. It ain't blown up yet, boys, so Obama has not yet done anything any worse than his rather incompetent predessors, which would be a major achievement of total incompetence.

Clinton paid N Korea not to make bombs and they took the money and did it anyways, asking nice doesnt work ... it just makes them laugh at you

if you wanted to be honest about it, Bush inherited a mess from Clinton who did nothing to stop terrorism. 911 was planned over 5 years in advance and only took place 7 months after Bush took office.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Nothing that you wrote indicates that the six-party talks were effective.

Yeah....they only preceded (and, established) conditions that exist, presently.

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February 24, 2005​

"What for Washington is a matter of how to stop a nuclear-weapons program and/or overthrow the strange dictator of a distant land, is for other countries in the region a much more essential problem: how to bring North Korea first into the community of Northeast Asia and then into the larger global community. In Washington's view, North Korea is simply troublesome, lunatic, or evil, and there can be no truck with it. As its Asian neighbors see it, North Korea's demand for security, however shrill, contains within it something that, from their own histories, they recognize as essentially just."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President Barack Obama has set the stage for a possible trade war with China by branding the Asian giant a currency manipulator, a term his predecessor George W. Bush had skillfully avoided despite pressure from lawmakers.

"President Obama -- backed by the conclusions of a broad range of economists -- believes that China is manipulating its currency," his Treasury secretary-designate Timothy Geithner said Thursday in written testimony to senators quizzing him over his pending confirmation

...........this would have been another phone call then???? .......... or perhaps "take a message"

Eventually, ALL Bush-family bu$ine$$-intere$t$ need to be examined.

They are their own best-lobbyists...especially while occupying The Oval Office.​

December 16, 2003​

"Many observers were surprised last week when George W. Bush came down in favor of the People's Republic of China, against a democratic referendum in Taiwan. His weighing in on behalf of mainland China becomes more questionable at a time when well-connected Chinese companies are funneling large sums of money to Bush's brothers."

I guess these were the early-days of The Idiot Son establishing a line-of-credit with The Bank Of Bejing.

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[Mr. Shaman]

Exactly... it is no secret that China violates their WTO agreements and manipulates their currency to make their exports more attractive. Politically it is a blunder to make that a major issue however.

Yeah.....especially for supporters of Bushenomics.

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[Mr. Shaman]

hey Rob this is the one I liked but didn't want to post in case it depressed Mr. Shaman too much....

"These officials appear a little nervous about the arrival of a new US President, who might not be as friendly to China as President George W. Bush."

Yeah.....absolutely shocking.

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[Mr. Shaman]

Obama needs to fix the economy that he broke.

Yeah....that's what happened.

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"Repeatedly, President-elect, and then President, Bush talked about how the economy was in trouble.

The "bad" economy, he talked about. Again and again. The "bad" economy.

You know what happened as a result? I can tell you from my personal experience, the CFO of the corporation I was working for called a meeting and said, "The President keeps talking about the economy being 'bad.' Now, things don't seem bad, but let's just hold off on any new hires until we see how this pans out. And, let's hold off on all non-vital purchases, just for the time being."

And you can see right there how simply the words of President George W. Bush started slamming the breaks of the economy."​

Hell....that worked so well, for him, that he used the same fear-tactics to launch a War in Iraq.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It's more important to me that we realize the ideology broke the economy. The theory that government control and regulation will fix things, resulted in all our problems.

Yeah.....Allowing The Marketplace To Regulate ITSELF! makes sooooooooooooo much-more-sense, now.

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"Economists say not everyone can -- or should -- buy a home, but that didn't to stop many homebuyers, banks or Wall Street firms during the housing bubble, when the only way for prices and profits was up.

However, nearly half of the loans made in 2006 were of the subprime variety, which increased the risk of borrowers defaulting on many banks' balance sheets.

"Prime mortgages dropped to 64 percent of the total in 2004, 56 percent in 2005 and 52 percent in 2006," the Brookings study notes.

Even so, many banks and brokerage firms continued bundling the mortgages, many of them bad loans, and Wall Street kept buying them and selling them to investors. And the people who could have put a brake on the increasing amount of risk -- the agencies that regulate the U.S. financial sector -- weren't paying attention.http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/29/economic.crisis.explainer/index.html?eref=rss_topstories"​

Wanna try, again, Skippy?

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[BigRob]

Yeah....they only preceded (and, established) conditions that exist, presently.

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Exactly... they preceded a nuclear North Korea, and now established (as you claim) a nuclear North Korea.

Where is the success in this?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The problem is that policy people have somehow decided that the six-party talks are the goal. The goal needs to be the elimination of the North Korean program.

Yeah....what better example, security-wise (of having no Nukes), than Iraq?

Hell....they never gave us a LICK of trouble (when Lil' Dumbya pulled-the-pin on War)....and, everyone else noticed, as well....especially North Korea.

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[BigRob]

Yeah.....especially for supporters of Bushenomics.

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Or for people who understand the connection between the US and China and the vasts leverage China hold in Asia, the Middle East, South America (growing rapidly), and on the economic front.

Finger pointing does you no good in regards to China right now.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Clinton paid N Korea not to make bombs and they took the money and did it anyways.

B.S.

Another (unproven) "conservative"-Absolute....as usual.


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[BigRob]

Yeah....what better example, security-wise (of having no Nukes), than Iraq?

Hell....they never gave us a LICK of trouble (when Lil' Dumbya pulled-the-pin on War)....and, everyone else noticed, as well....especially North Korea.

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Not exactly sure where I advocated for war with North Korea. The talks by themselves are not the end goal. We presently treat them as if they are. The end goal needs to be complete elimination of the North Korean nuclear program.

That can be achieved diplomatically, however we need to stop running back with more incentives every time North Korea breaks another agreement.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Or for people who understand the connection between the US and China and the vasts leverage China hold in Asia, the Middle East, South America (growing rapidly), and on the economic front.

Finger pointing does you no good in regards to China right now.

Yeah....the Bush-family is badly in-need of the income, huh?

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[Mr. Shaman]

Not exactly sure where I advocated for war with North Korea.

I never suggested as much.​

The end goal needs to be complete elimination of the North Korean nuclear program.

Why's that....because they've got evil-Nukes...blessed by Satan, himself....while OUR Nukes have been sanctioned by God....so, they've gotta be GOOD Nukes???

Let's see you (try to) make that argument to the NRA....that U.S. Government guns have been (somehow) purified.....and, there's no reason to fear our Government goin' Soviet, on the NRA.​

That can be achieved diplomatically, however we need to stop running back with more incentives every time North Korea breaks another agreement.

If The Idiot Son hadn't violated the original (Clinton co-authored) agreement, we might actually be moving forward.....much like our economy. ​

 

[BigRob]

Why's that....because they've got evil-Nukes...blessed by Satan, himself....while OUR Nukes have been sanctioned by God....so, they've gotta be GOOD Nukes???​

No, because they are a failed state that directly threatens the stability in the region. Along with that, they threaten our allies in the region. (Japan, South Korea). Our large military presence in South Korea is directly threatened by such a weapon.

The proliferation concerns are problematic as well. If the United States in unable to maintain a credible deterrent than our allies (Japan and South Korea) will be tempted to develop deterrence of their own. (IE a nuclear weapon).

If this should occur, then the NPT is no longer relevant and other nations will have less reservations about developing a weapon of their own.

So, it not an issue of who has more bombs, it is a proliferation issue, and a credibility of US deterrence issue.

If The Idiot Son hadn't violated the original (Clinton co-authored) agreement, we might actually be moving forward.....much like our economy. ​

North Korea has broken every agreement they have made. They pretty much openly state they want a weapon to have regime credibility. If this is the case (and since they state that it is it would seem likely) then they were going to develop a weapon regardless of what we offered them, especially after every agreement was breached we ran back to the negotiating table asked "what else can we give you."​