$2330 per tax payer

[Mr. Carpenter]

I don't see what the big deal is anyway. Every year, we already spend about $5,000.00 for every man, woman, and child in America supplementing "handout" programs, to support less than 10% of the population, who refuse to even try to support themselves. The difference in this case is that even if they do go for the entire $700 billion (which I strongly oppose), at the very least they're preventing the economy from going all the way down the toilet because the Democrats, going all the way back to FDR, decided that stealing money from one person and giving it to someone else wasn't really stealing if they said it was in the interest of "fairness".

Maybe one day I'll find someone who can explain to me how stealing from me to support people who won't even try to support themselves is a "good" thing.

 

[BigRob]

Thank you for the very long, 'all about me' post (such self obsession by the way is rarely interesting to the reader).

You really do appear to act like you are GOD to be honest, a nasty little sin on your part if I may say so.

If Lib made good decisions during his house purchase came out ahead of the game I have no idea why this makes you upset. Further, he certainly should not apologize to anyone for it.

Such a bitter and almost bordering on hysterical denunciation of everyone for not being as intelligent and as superior as you clearly think you are, is rather disturbing.

I did not realize you had to be a genius to realize it was important to read what you signed. Especially when it involved something as large as, you know, buying a house.

Just because YOU do, or did all of the above, does not mean that a section of vulnerable people who do,or did not, are lesser persons than yourself.

No one thinks they are "lesser people" but they certainly do not deserve special treatment for making a bad decision. The same people who took out bad loans and are now defaulting because they cannot afford their house, are now demanding down payment assistance from the government so they can purchase another house they cannot afford. I am sorry, but if you do that, you are an idiot.

It appears to prevent you from seeing that for all the 'stupidity' displayed by the consumer, equal if not more stupidity and recklessness was shown by those who are supposed to know better and for all intents and purposes to abide by and carry out a clear code of practice, aka the finance industry.

The job of a business is to make money. They gambled, they lost. They should go out of business for it. Many of them already have. Why anyone goes into a business deal thinking that the business is not there to make money is beyond me.

Your taxes will not save the 'stupid' consumer, but they will be used to ensure that asses of the grubby little crooks who are ultimately responsible for this God awful mess can remain temporarily solvent and maybe even make another short term killing out of the ultimate misery of others.

Saving these companies by extension saves the consumer.

You are the one who sounds bitter here, a company exists to make money. Why is that bad? I also am unsure of what it is that keeps you from making a killing right along with them?

I am sick and tired dealing with little ****s, who preside over their own little worlds, that consist of me, me and only me, who do not know their ass from their elbow when you get to the bones of it, who are all bloody noise, all bloody mouth and absolutely no bloody trousers.

It is people with your mindset, who enabled such grubby little crooks to flourish in the bloody first place. Uneducated, insular dickheads and complete knobs, pure and simple.

Maybe if we had more of a "me" mentality, people would bother to read their loan papers...

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

I am sick and tired dealing with little ****s, who preside over their own little worlds, that consist of me, me and only me, who do not know their ass from their elbow when you get to the bones of it, who are all bloody noise, all bloody mouth and absolutely no bloody trousers.

It is people with your mindset, who enabled such grubby little crooks to flourish in the bloody first place. Uneducated, insular dickheads and complete knobs, pure and simple.

Pardon me, but are you a subject of the Crown? If so, why are you concerned about our economic problems to the point that you'd be this emotional?

 

[GenSeneca]

But, I also went back and looked at the posts on this thread, and don't see anyone giving the Democrats a pass

People are trying to shift blame to the Republicans and Bush - That's giving the Democrats a pass in my book... That's also why I made the claim that those with a (D) are getting a pass, because of the scapegoating that's taking place.

BTW, if pointing this out constitutes a Strawman... Then please quote one of our resident Lefties - from any topic anywhere on the forum - where they say a Democrat needs to be held accountable for his misdeeds and/or ineptitude. Seems to me, only the Republicans care enough to hold their representatives accountable.

Additionally, I too agreed this was a Bi-partisan failure and people from both parties need to be held to account and forced out of their political office (With or without criminal charges being filed against them).

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Who invented Fannie Mae? FDR (D) and his "New Deal".

Who privitized Fannie Mae, and then gave us Freddie Mac? Johnson (D) and his "Great Society".

Who essentially deregulated both of them? Franklin Raines (D) on the orders of Clinton (D).

Any more questions?

 

[Andy]

I just realized that "not amused", in all 4 of his rant-n-rave-athon posts, never once answered the point Libsmasher made. Not even once. Oh wait... that's because he can't! Which is why he ranted and raved.

Nvm, I figured it out. Later.

 

[Not Amused]

Pardon me, but are you a subject of the Crown? If so, why are you concerned about our economic problems to the point that you'd be this emotional?

Your ineptitude completely takes my breath away. Then some naive people wonder why I am getting angry.

Saving these companies by extension saves the consumer.

You are the one who sounds bitter here, a company exists to make money. Why is that bad?

I also am unsure of what it is that keeps you from making a killing right along with them?

Yet another ****wit with a parochial mentality. I never once said making money per se was bad.

You know what, some of you have your heads stuck so far up your own asses, have such a narrow outlook, are so wrapped up in scoring partisan political points and some sort of infantile blame game, to the point where you really can't see the wood for the trees, you actually really do deserve everything that is coming your way financially.

The greatest pity in all of this is that you can't just **** Off and drown in your own downward spiral without sucking other countries into your inevitable financial demise.

It's no wonder people like Dawkins continually takes the complete piss out of you. That really is easy. I'm done with this.

 

[BigRob]

You know what, some of you have your heads stuck so far up your own asses, have such a narrow outlook, are so wrapped up in scoring partisan political points and some sort of infantile blame game, to the point where you really can't see the wood for the trees, you actually really do deserve everything that is coming your way financially.

Please show me in my above post where I "blamed" anyone or brought up "partisan politics." I did not do it, you are inserting it.

The greatest pity in all of this is that you can't just **** Off and drown in your own downward spiral without sucking other countries into your inevitable financial demise.

It's no wonder people like Dawkins continually takes the complete piss out of you. That really is easy. I'm done with this.

I do not respond to Dawkins because there is no logic to his posts. I do not even read them. You can be "done with this" all you want, but you inserted the politics, not me. You are also the bitter sounding one in this conversation.

 

[Andy]

Your ineptitude completely takes my breath away. Then some naive people wonder why I am getting angry.

Bitter and arrogant. I don't wonder.

Yet another ****wit with a parochial mentality.

You are not convincing anyone with these lame and false, statements.

You know what, some of you have your heads stuck so far up your own asses, have such a narrow outlook, are so wrapped up in scoring partisan political points and some sort of infantile blame game, to the point where you really can't see the wood for the trees, you actually really do deserve everything that is coming your way financially.

I didn't borrow more than I can afford to pay, so I'm not losing my home. Plus, my company is making more money now, than ever before, so I'm not going to lose my job. Maybe the one with a narrow outlook, is you?

The greatest pity in all of this is that you can't just **** Off and drown in your own downward spiral without sucking other countries into your inevitable financial demise.

We're selling our products in China as we speak. It doesn't look to me like we're sucking them down. In fact, they are moving towards Capitalism and reaping huge rewards. We're moving towards socialism, and our economy is barely going.

It's no wonder people like Dawkins continually takes the complete piss out of you. That really is easy. I'm done with this.

LOL! I laughed when I read this! Of all people Dawkins is the one who never makes a logical statement, never backs up his statements with any evidence or data, and makes sweeping generalizations of everyone on this forum unless they completely agree with his unsupportable claims. If there is any joke on this forum, it's him. The fact you support him, makes you funny too!

Of course I expect as much. This is all the left has. The right comes up with fact and figures and historical examples. The left comes up with... well posts like this where they randomly attack others, spew insults and so on.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Your ineptitude completely takes my breath away. Then some naive people wonder why I am getting angry.

Ineptitude? Are you familiar with the definition of that word? You are the one who used distinctly British colloquialisms throughout the post I referenced, as I remember them fondly from my time there. Now, I was perfectly polite, and asked you a very simple question, which you have failed to answer, so let's try this again; are you now, or have you ever been a Subject of the British Crown?

Frankly, from what I've read thus far, you remind me of a union worker; you hate your job, and the company you work for, but you're scared to death that someone who is smarter and harder working (like a robot) will come along and take it from you.

 

[Andy]

Ineptitude? Are you familiar with the definition of that word? You are the one who used distinctly British colloquialisms throughout the post I referenced, as I remember them fondly from my time there. Now, I was perfectly polite, and asked you a very simple question, which you have failed to answer, so let's try this again; are you now, or have you ever been a Subject of the British Crown?

Frankly, from what I've read thus far, you remind me of a union worker; you hate your job, and the company you work for, but you're scared to death that someone who is smarter and harder working (like a robot) will come along and take it from you.

Like a robot!! LOL!

 

[Not Amused]

Bitter and arrogant. I don't wonder.



You are not convincing anyone with these lame and false, statements.



I didn't borrow more than I can afford to pay, so I'm not losing my home. Plus, my company is making more money now, than ever before, so I'm not going to lose my job. Maybe the one with a narrow outlook, is you?



We're selling our products in China as we speak. It doesn't look to me like we're sucking them down. In fact, they are moving towards Capitalism and reaping huge rewards. We're moving towards socialism, and our economy is barely going.



LOL! I laughed when I read this! Of all people Dawkins is the one who never makes a logical statement, never backs up his statements with any evidence or data, and makes sweeping generalizations of everyone on this forum unless they completely agree with his unsupportable claims. If there is any joke on this forum, it's him. The fact you support him, makes you funny too!

Of course I expect as much. This is all the left has. The right comes up with fact and figures and historical examples. The left comes up with... well posts like this where they randomly attack others, spew insults and so on.

Total Ineptitude once again **** Wit. I am neither part of the left, nor right.

You make wild assumptions because you are indeed a ****Wit.

Nothing within my posts or my reaction to situations suggest to anyone other than a complete **** Wit that I am a liberal.

What I am attacking is the wholesale stupidity and ****wittedness of so many within this forum.

Is it any wonder I appear arrogant to you? The amusing aspect here is that your ****wittedness enables me to be positively brimming with arrogance.

You have absolutely no real economic discernment, if you had, you would fully understand that borrowers are not responsible for your precarious position and that a bailout will not fix the problems of a broken economic structure.

Neither do you have the capacity, to actually understand when someone is making a hell of a good job of subtly making you all look like a bunch of brainless assholes.

Dawkin uses you all. The irony being, that you actually also enable him/her to feel intellectually superior to all of you, just by your kindergarten reaction to his/her posts, which are displayed openly for all to witness.

But there we are, many parochial Americans don't know how to keep their pie holes shut at all, let alone at the right time.

Your personal, overwhelming vanity prevents you from ignoring him/her when you should, therefore Dawkins makes you look like the bunch of ****Wits you really are.

Oh by the way, I am not bitter. Just extremely angry that the rest of the world have only American Ineptitude, no doubt akin to the ineptitude witnessed by myself within this forum as an answer to the huge financial crisis the US has placed itself into, along with the repercussions the rest of the western world will have to suffer.

I bid you adieu assholes.

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

My my, I am SO impressed by the faux intellectualism, and utter mindlessness of the socialist mind...NOT!

 

[BigRob]

You have absolutely no real economic discernment, if you had, you would fully understand that borrowers are not responsible for your precarious position and that a bailout will not fix the problems of a broken economic structure.

I am pretty sure Andy, among many others here are completely against the bailout.

Neither do you have the capacity, to actually understand when someone is making a hell of a good job of subtly making you all look like a bunch of brainless assholes.

Dawkin uses you all. The irony being, that you actually also enable him/her to feel intellectually superior to all of you, just by your kindergarten reaction to his/her posts, which are displayed openly for all to witness.

No logical evidence is hardly "using" anyone. But I no longer read his posts, maybe they got better.

Oh by the way, I am not bitter. Just extremely angry that the rest of the world have only American Ineptitude, no doubt akin to the ineptitude witnessed by myself within this forum as an answer to the huge financial crisis the US has placed itself into, along with the repercussions the rest of the western world will have to suffer.

I bid you adieu assholes.

All this vanity about responding, yet you continue to respond.

Sorry that you must suffer, but many people who do actually understand the market are making a lot of money right now. Sorry that you are not.

 

[PLC1]

Total Ineptitude once again **** Wit. I am neither part of the left, nor right.

You make wild assumptions because you are indeed a ****Wit.

Nothing within my posts or my reaction to situations suggest to anyone other than a complete **** Wit that I am a liberal.

What I am attacking is the wholesale stupidity and ****wittedness of so many within this forum.

Is it any wonder I appear arrogant to you? The amusing aspect here is that your ****wittedness enables me to be positively brimming with arrogance.

You have absolutely no real economic discernment, if you had, you would fully understand that borrowers are not responsible for your precarious position and that a bailout will not fix the problems of a broken economic structure.

Neither do you have the capacity, to actually understand when someone is making a hell of a good job of subtly making you all look like a bunch of brainless assholes.

Dawkin uses you all. The irony being, that you actually also enable him/her to feel intellectually superior to all of you, just by your kindergarten reaction to his/her posts, which are displayed openly for all to witness.

But there we are, many parochial Americans don't know how to keep their pie holes shut at all, let alone at the right time.

Your personal, overwhelming vanity prevents you from ignoring him/her when you should, therefore Dawkins makes you look like the bunch of ****Wits you really are.

Oh by the way, I am not bitter. Just extremely angry that the rest of the world have only American Ineptitude, no doubt akin to the ineptitude witnessed by myself within this forum as an answer to the huge financial crisis the US has placed itself into, along with the repercussions the rest of the western world will have to suffer.

I bid you adieu assholes.

Now, you have descended into the abyss of personal attack and childish name calling, thus proving you have no real argument.

I thought better of you at first.

Check and mate, and if you really mean your goodby, so be it.