11th Cir Ct upholds Judge Vinson: Obamacare unconstitutional

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Obama's utopian world keeps crashing down around him. One more step toward the dustbin of history, where it will join other failed socialist programs.

This is the 26-state suit. Judge Roger Vinson found that the mandate forcing people to join or be penalized, is unconstitutional, and that since the law was deliberately written without a severability clause (as demanded by insurance company who wanted lots of healthy customers forced to sign up to pay for the ones that needed medical care), that meant the entire prrogram had to be struck down.

The 3-judge panel of the 11th Circuit agreed about the mandate's unconstitutionality, but said the rest did not necessarily have to go. Like chopping off a head and saying the body can remain - Obamacare cannot possibly survive without the mandate forcing people to join.

Funniest part is where the lone dissenting judge said that, since the Fed Govt has taken so much extra power in the past, that makes it OK for them to take even more now. Way to guard those Constitutional limitations, judge!

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/appeals-court-rules-against-obama-healthcare-law-171829777.html

Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law
by Jeremy Pelofsky and James Vicini | Reuters – 20 minutes ago.. .

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An appeals court ruled Friday that President Barack Obama's healthcare law requiring Americans to buy healthcare insurance or face a penalty was unconstitutional, a blow to the White House.

The Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta, found that Congress exceeded its authority by requiring Americans to buy coverage, but also ruled that the rest of the wide-ranging law could remain in effect.

The legality of the so-called individual mandate, a cornerstone of the 2010 healthcare law, is widely expected to be decided by the Supreme Court. The Obama administration has defended the provision as constitutional.

The case stems from a challenge by 26 U.S. states which had argued the individual mandate, set to go into effect in 2014, was unconstitutional because Congress could not force Americans to buy health insurance or face the prospect of a penalty.

"This economic mandate represents a wholly novel and potentially unbounded assertion of congressional authority: the ability to compel Americans to purchase an expensive health insurance product they have elected not to buy, and to make them re-purchase that insurance product every month for their entire lives," a divided three-judge panel said.

One of the three judges of the appeals court panel, Stanley Marcus, agreed with the administration in dissenting from the majority opinion.

The majority "has ignored the undeniable fact that Congress' commerce power has grown exponentially over the past two centuries and is now generally accepted as having afforded Congress the authority to create rules regulating large areas of our national economy," Marcus wrote.
 
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So, the deadbeats win again. I suppose that was to be expected.

No, the deadbeats who want "somebody else" to pay for their problems, LOST.

But the case will merely go on to the Supreme Court, where a final decision will be made to strike down the unconstitutionally socialistic program of Obamacare.
 
No, the deadbeats who want "somebody else" to pay for their problems, LOST.

But the case will merely go on to the Supreme Court, where a final decision will be made to strike down the unconstitutionally socialistic program of Obamacare.

The real deadbeats are the ones who depend on being able to go to the emergency room if they have a problem, then skip out.

But, probably the so called "Obamacare" won't fly anyway. What it also won't do is what has to be done soon: control costs.

One way to control costs is to get rid of the deadbeats.
 
All of the AAA rated countries of the world have universal health coverage. They've figured something out that is beyond our ken.
 
No, the deadbeats who want "somebody else" to pay for their problems, LOST.

But the case will merely go on to the Supreme Court, where a final decision will be made to strike down the unconstitutionally socialistic program of Obamacare.

I think it depends on how many of the justices were appointed by dems and how many by pubs. Its not like we can expect them to rule based on law and logic.
 
I think it depends on how many of the justices were appointed by dems and how many by pubs. Its not like we can expect them to rule based on law and logic.

Which party is it that appointed justices who are adamant that we keep our unsustainable, inefficient, and unaffordable system?
 
Which party is it that appointed justices who are adamant that we keep our unsustainable, inefficient, and unaffordable system?

Both.

The dems want an unsustainable welfare and debt situation and the pubs want unsustainable deal making between corporations and government. though in all honesty these are generalizations and the pubs support plenty of welfare and debt while the dems support plenty of corporatism.
 
Which party is it that appointed justices who are adamant that we keep our unsustainable, inefficient, and unaffordable system?

WTF????

Your nonsensical post has nothing to do with how a judge should rule. NOTHING. A judge rules on whether something (in this case, sh*tty Obamacare) is constitutional or NOT. That is their job. Not trying to find a solution for our healthcare problems.

Yes, healthcare needs reform, but Obama's reform sucks and will not work. It's consequences, like all things pushed by the radical left, will be most harmful.
 
Both.

The dems want an unsustainable welfare and debt situation and the pubs want unsustainable deal making between corporations and government. though in all honesty these are generalizations and the pubs support plenty of welfare and debt while the dems support plenty of corporatism.

You got that right. Moreover, neither one is willing to address the out of control cost of health care in any rational and workable way.
 
You got that right. Moreover, neither one is willing to address the out of control cost of health care in any rational and workable way.

The biggest factor in the out of control cost of health care is congress itself. If they really wanted to address that they would have to reduce their job description, their importance and their pay (and "kickbacks").

On a separate note, just why is it that congress writes the rules that govern congress?
 
The biggest factor in the out of control cost of health care is congress itself. If they really wanted to address that they would have to reduce their job description, their importance and their pay (and "kickbacks").

On a separate note, just why is it that congress writes the rules that govern congress?

Interesting question.

Who should do it?
 
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Interesting question.

Who should do it?

I dont know. A future congress cannot be bound by the rules of past congress so that is not the answer. The senate can't originate spending bills so it cannot govern the house. Even if one branch of gov could decide for a different branch what the rules governing that branch would be the political parties operate across all branches.

What if certain kinds of policies, like pay raises for congress, were decided by initiatives on ballots and voted on directly by the people? I like the idea of a representative government but clearly congress cannot represent both us and themselves at the same time without a conflict of interest. Since congress is supposed to represent us then let the people represent congress - that could be a new check and balance.

Maybe then congressmen would not average 12% in their investments while the rest of the country is losing money in their 401k's. Can you say: "The rules of insider trading should not exempt congress"?
 
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