Why I hate Muslims.

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They have used their secret intelligence agency to interfere, change, influence the outcome of our elections. They have destabilized our government and helped place abusive dictators into power. They have sent troops to occupy our country. They have attempted to replace our traditions with those of their own. They have helped their corporate interests establish businesses in our country that siphon-off our resources.

Oh, wait... That is what the USA, and CIA has done to them... Never mind!
 
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They have used their secret intelligence agency to interfere, change, influence the outcome of our elections. They have destabilized our government and helped place abusive dictators into power. They have sent troops to occupy our country. They have attempted to replace our traditions with those of their own. They have helped their corporate interests establish businesses in our country that siphon-off our resources.

Oh, wait... That is what the USA, and CIA has done to them... Never mind!
Did I mention that they have also tortured American civilians that they have held without any evidence that they were guilty of anything?
 
Did I mention that they have also tortured American civilians that they have held without any evidence that they were guilty of anything?

No they just killed 3000 people, and behead all prisoners, stone woman all in the name of Islam..


regards
doug
This website may not be idiot proof, but at least it's dimwit resistant
 
No they just killed 3000 people, and behead all prisoners, stone woman all in the name of Islam..


regards
doug
This website may not be idiot proof, but at least it's dimwit resistant

and Christians Blow up Federal Buildings including day care centers. Assassinate DR's, and plant bombs to kill people at the Olympics and bombs to kill police and Emergency responders...

since we are just lumping all people of a faith to the actions of all.
 
and Christians Blow up Federal Buildings including day care centers. Assassinate DR's, and plant bombs to kill people at the Olympics and bombs to kill police and Emergency responders...

since we are just lumping all people of a faith to the actions of all.

Yeah there is no difference. They are both the same.

Are you Fat Rosie O'Donnell? :rolleyes:
 
Pockett..no serious person would compare muslims with christian ..This is what I think about Muhammed/Islam & the muslim faith, and you can decide whether I'm "vilifying" them.
But, remember, to "vilify" someone, what you say has to be untrue. It's not vilification if it's the truth.

I am just a guy on a message board reporting on what I have found. I know a few people here would like to think I'm advocating hatred, but I'm not. They just don't like what I have to say, that's all. Well, life is rough all around, I guess. Personally, I think Christ got it right, and he transcended hatred. I, on the other hand, am just an imperfect, unenlightened sinner, but I do deeply believe that the truth will set you free, so that's my quest. Pretty simple, really. don't anyone take my word for it. Please, do your own DD, and then tell me what part of this is untrue....

First, Muhammed was a war-monger.

Second, for a prophet, he didn t have much of a clue, to wit: When Jabril appeared to him, he thought it was the jinn, which were the Arab pagan gods (or demi-gods - whatever). What kind of prophet doesn't even recognize when God is talking to him? Moreover, he didn't even understand who Abraham, Moses and Jesus were until the Jews explained it to him. Yet he claims Islam is intended to set the record straight, because the Jews and Christians got it all wrong. How can that be if he didn't have any clue about the people he was talking about and had to rely on the Jews to help him interpret what God was telling him?

Third, in "reciting" the Koran, he promulgated, if you will, thousands of very repetitive verses that fall into two basic categories: warnings as to what will happen to the unbelievers; and instructions on what to say to the Christians and Jews. But, he didn't separate them, as two distinct themes. Rather, he intertwined these verses, so that they alternate. That maximizes the chance of blurring the distinctions, and maximizes the chance of confusing the Christians and the Jews with the unbelievers. And, clearly, that is exactly what has happened. But, if these two sets of ideas were intended to be distinct and different, then why not either say so or separate them? That's no accident, because this technique is repeated over and over and over throughout the Koran. By so-doing, it creates a tone - an impression - that is anti-Judeo-Christian without explicitly saying so. As a form of political brainwashing, it's truly ingenious.

Fourth, the Koran deconstructs both Judaism and Christianity. It does not deconstruct the "self" (i.e., the "believer"). This is why there has never been any real, serious exegesis of the Koran in 1,300 years. (In contrast, Christianity entered modernity when the Reformation brought about a new, critical deconstruction.) But, the Koran simply does not lend itself to it, because it eschews introspection. The greater emphasis is placed on condemning others. And this is yet another reason why there is virtually no criticism or questioning of the Koran: the downside risk of being labeled an "unbeliever" is too severe. And infidels, of course, are dealt with harshly. Consequently, the substance and tone of the Koran tend to operate to encourage people to point fingers at everyone else, lest someone point fingers at them first. IMO, what you see in the Islamic world today is the natural by-product of this kind of thinking, and it all came out of the mouth of Muhammed.

Fifth, the Koran is only part of a wider body of literature, known as hadith, that is based on what Muhammed said and did. When you look at the hadith, you see all the violence - you see all the references to jihad fi sabil Illah (jihad in the path of God) that are clearly military efforts, and not merely the more innocuous version of jihad, i.e.,"striving" (though, even striving, it turns out, is not completely innocuous, but I'll omit that discussion here). So, here you have Muhammed characterizing his battles against others as jihad in the path of God. What more need I say? In the aftermath of 9/11, you see the Islamic world trying to play down the non-Koranic hadith (in statements for western consumption, that is) because it's not pretty. But, go check out the hadith for yourself, and then ask whether I am vilifying Muhammed. He did it all to himself. I'm just the messenger.

Sixth, the Koran and hadith, as I'm sure everyone realizes by now, is also a political blueprint. It comes with its own set of laws, known as Sharia, which includes some barbaric punishments. It also devotes a good amount of attention to the who, what, when, where and why of waging war. The world is divided into two camps: Dar al-Islam (House of Islam) and Dar al-Harb (House of War). All lands that are ruled according to Muslim law are Dar al-Islam and all lands ruled by anyone else (e.g., the U.S.) are Dar al-Harb. This is Muhammed's grand and enlightened world view. You might want to contrast that with the teachings of Christ or Buddha. But, because the Koran is also a political/legal document, you can go pick up a Muslim newspaper here in the U.S. and read for yourselves the ongoing discussions about whether Muslims should accept the U.S. Constitution only conditionally, and only to the extent that it conforms to the Koran. Read these discussions for yourselves; I have.

Seventh, the Koran, ontologically, incorporates a notion of "justice for this physical plane of reality. But, I would suggest to you that it is justice without mercy. Read the Koran and hadith for yourselves, and decide for yourselves how much mercy is contained in it. I think it is merciless. But, if you think about it, we wouldn't need justice at all if we all had mercy. Now, granted, both are ideals that we strive for in an imperfect world, and we don't achieve either with anything close to perfection. However, that does not change the fact that one of those ideals is "higher" than the other. If we had mercy, we would not need justice. But, note how the converse is not true: if we have justice, we still need mercy. ( And earthly power doth then show likest God s, when Mercy seasons Justice. - The Merchant of Venice)

The fact that mercy is not achieved with perfection is not a justification for abandoning mercy in favor of justice, because justice can not be achieved with perfection either. So, in abandoning mercy in favor of justice, all we have really done is abandoned a higher ideal for a lesser one. The world will still be imperfect, only now it is pursuing a lesser ideal. That is clearly an inferior ontology. Anyway, Christ preached mercy, but Muhammed derogates mercy in favor of justice - when he's not busy fighting wars, that is.

I'll finish with a few thoughts and some of my own conclusions:

I have a friend and he is a Muslim. As I was giving him a ride home, we were talking about the Iraq situation, and had an interesting and friendly discussion. He's a nice guy, and all that. And I guess one would say he has a lot of "western" values. He believes in God, but isn't very religious, and most of his friends here in the U.S. are not Muslim. But, the fact is that he's a hell of a lot more enlightened that Muhammed ever was. And, I know he's not the only one, but I would have to say the same thing about other Muslims like him - they are all far more enlightened than Muhammed, and more enlightened than the Koran itself. So both my friend and I are sort of in the same boat - we both are more enlightened than Muhammed, and we both are less enlightened than Christ. More power to anyone who seeks enlightenment, but you won't find it in the life of Muhammed, because we've already surpassed him, and that includes my friend.

To put it another way, based on my reading of the Koran, hadith, and the life of Muhammed, I don't think the militant extremists are the ones who have corrupted the Koran. I think they have it exactly right. I think it's the Muslims, like my friend those who actually believe in getting along with others - who have "corrupted" the Koran. I applaud them for doing it, obviously. It warms my heart to see the Kurds in northern Iraq creating such a civilized community for themselves amidst all the surrounding violence and turmoil, and despite all that has been done to them. I applaud all of that. But, Muhammed wouldn't applaud it, so let's just be clear about that. And that is what makes Islam dangerous: the closer you get to its core - the closer you get to the hadith and to Muhammed - the more dangerous it gets. Yet, this enduring seed is impenetrable. It's like trying to get rid of a wart; you can try to get rid of the dead skin and the "growth," but until you drill down and get that virus that's at the root, it keeps coming back.

There's an expression: the problem with communism is communism, but the problem with capitalism is capitalists. Whether you agree with that or not, the point it is trying to make is that, with communism, it is the idea itself that is flawed; with capitalism, on the other hand, it's not the idea that is flawed, but the way it is practiced. (Again, I'm not interested in anyone arguing about whether that's true; the point is to see the kind of distinction being drawn.) Well, I would say the same thing about Islam and Christianity: the problem with Islam is Islam, and the problem with Christianity is Christians. In other words, Christianity would be a really great thing if people actually emulated Christ, but they don t always. But, for all the peace-loving Muslims out there (and I don't deny they are out there) who believe in religious tolerance, and love and compassion even for non-Muslims - for all of them, Muhammed is not someone to be emulated, but, rather, someone who must be overcome. I do agree that there is an important epistemological distinction that must be made..but to bring the two together, Christians need to uncover Christ, while Muslims need to bury Muhammed.

Regards
Doug
 
They have used their secret intelligence agency to interfere, change, influence the outcome of our elections. They have destabilized our government and helped place abusive dictators into power. They have sent troops to occupy our country. They have attempted to replace our traditions with those of their own. They have helped their corporate interests establish businesses in our country that siphon-off our resources.

Oh, wait... That is what the USA, and CIA has done to them... Never mind!

I thought I was goig to come on this thread and say that it would be prejudices to hate all Muslims based on what some have done.

It would be equally prejudices to hate citizens of this country based on the list you posted. If the attempt was to stir up hatred for the people or the government of the US - why? Why would one want to stir up hatred for anyone at all? If you disagree with something express that disagreement without hatred.

I would like to see US foreign policy severely curtailed. It seem like most of that effort is a waste of time and money and often backfires anyway. But stirring up hatred is not a solution.
 
I thought I was goig to come on this thread and say that it would be prejudices to hate all Muslims based on what some have done.

It would be equally prejudices to hate citizens of this country based on the list you posted. If the attempt was to stir up hatred for the people or the government of the US - why? Why would one want to stir up hatred for anyone at all? If you disagree with something express that disagreement without hatred.

I would like to see US foreign policy severely curtailed. It seem like most of that effort is a waste of time and money and often backfires anyway. But stirring up hatred is not a solution.

well said..thanks
 
I Hate Muslims too. Thats why im in favor using the Nuclear Bomb next time they attack us again. No one has ever witness a nuclear hell like the Japs did. Heres a Hiroshima survivor describes the hell.


You see the horror story she just told you. Arabs have no idea what theyre in for when that bomb explodes. When that bomb explodes its a powerful wind with high heat. Its like your body barbecued on grill. Ever seen Chicken on the grill when its cooked thats what a nuclear bomb does to you. So the only way the Arabs learn about terrorism is to barbecued them then they face the Horror it will scare the hell outta them just like the Japanese are so scared of America today.
 
Have you ever witness this DR Who? []
I hope you never see this out your window someday. Belive me its pure shear HELL!!!

You have not taken 2 seconds to answer my question and you want me to watch a 3 minute 58 second video before I can even answer yours? It is my general rule of thumb not to watch videos. They are usually a waste of time and I cannot cut and paste text from them on which to comment. But I will watch yours IF you can convince me it is relevant and you answer my question honestly and with sincerity of effort.
 
I Dont know how it feels to hate. But it is a feeling ok. Like you dont like somebody or a group of people you hate em right? Let me ask you this? Are you a sports fan? What team is your rivals? You hate them?
 
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I Dont know how it feels to hate. But it is a feeling ok. Like you dont like somebody or a group of people you hate em right? Let me ask you this? Are you a sports fan? What team is your rivals? You hate them?

I am not a sports fan in that sense - largely because I could never relate to the urge to reserve admiration for some and ill-will toward others. I always wanted/want both teams to do their best. With that mindset watching a football game is kind of like playing checkers with yourself. But I like golf and running and archery and horseback riding and any sport in which I can challenge myself to reach new heights. I like beating my old records and I enjoy winning against others too.

But I do understand how other people feel that kind of fandom and "hate". The "hate" people experience toward the opposing team is usually understood to be an artifact of the game. Rational people do not really hate the opposing team nor really want them crushed or killed or any of the other euphemisms that are used. The emotions that are part of the games are more or less harmless.

When it comes to Jews or muslims there are lots of people for whom this is not a game. They are not just being fans of one side or another. They really do hate them on a completely different level. There is nothing harmless about this kind of hate. People get killed - a lot of people. Families get destroyed. Mothers lose babies. Lovers lose loves. Anything that you or I or anyone could hold dear is tragically lost by someone as a result of these hatreds. The comments made earlier in this thread are not at all like a sport game and they are very much a horrible injustice with ghastly consequences.

If you hold anything, anything at all dear, that should motivate you to have empathy toward others, to want them to not lose what they hold dear. You should want others to have their lives and their babies and their loves and all they hold dear. You should want the Jews and the Muslims to have their lives and their babies and their loves and what they hold dear.

Hatred is a part of humanity. What is it's purpose? When you see someone losing their life or their baby or their love or what they hold dear you should feel hate toward the injustice that is causing their loss. That is the true purpose of hatred. Hate is a God-given emotion that you can use to motivate yourself to love justice.
 
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