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  1. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Where is the contradiction in reading the bible and hating Christians?

    One of the major reasons I hate Christians is precisely because I have read it

    And am fully conversant with its lies, viciousness and ludicrousness

    Fortunately science came along to debunk it forcing Christians into a continual retreat over it's authenticity

    But you never know I might meet a talking snake who can prove that the sun does go round the earth

    Somehow I doubt it though
    Dawkinsrocks, Dec 2, 2012
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    What is in the bible that makes you hate Christians?=
    Aus22, Dec 3, 2012
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  3. dogtowner Super Moderator

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    the hate does not come from the Bible, its there are burning from within.
    you could think of as an inner hell.
    dogtowner, Dec 3, 2012
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  4. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    It comes from stories about mass murder, requesting a follower to commit infanticide to prove something that was already known, misogyny, slavery etc

    Oh and then there is the bit about the sun going round the earth. The guy who made the universe doesn't even know the basics of heliocentricity and yet Christians call him perfect

    I hate Christians because they believe that such a book is better than science and that they use it to justify their grotesque prejudices
    Dawkinsrocks, Dec 3, 2012
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  5. cashmcall Well-Known Member

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    Just who am I prejudice against?
    cashmcall, Dec 3, 2012
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  6. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Really sorry but I'm not great at mind reading

    You may not be but most christians seek to discriminate against homosexuals for example.

    Do you think gay people should be allowed to marry in a church?

    Many discriminate against women, Muslims etc and the bible has stuff in that supports these views if you look hard enough and can ignore the other contradictory bits
    Dawkinsrocks, Dec 4, 2012
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  7. cashmcall Well-Known Member

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    Do you think gay people should be allowed to marry in a church?
    i don't think Gay people should get married at all ...but one of my sons best friends " Leslie" is gay, I love her as if she was one of my own and I would trust her with my grandchildren.. and i can't say that about many of my friends...
    cashmcall, Dec 4, 2012
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    Maybe the question was phrased wrongly. Regardless of what any of us think anyone else should do would any of us stop gay people from forming a church and getting married in it? And if those gay people who formed a church decided that straight people would be better off getting married elsewhere then so be it because it is their church after all.
    Dr.Who, Dec 5, 2012
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    better not do it in Pennsylvania. any semblance to "marriage" gets the pastor in legal problems. I suspect this is true most places.

    pastors are actually carrying out a legal chore (remember they say 'by the power granted to me by the state of...'). one guy who made it into the news was trying to do what he believed was a non-secular ceremony and got smacked.

    there is a connotation to the term that cannot be ignored.
    dogtowner, Dec 5, 2012
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  10. Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    Well, that is one more thing that needs to be changed. The pastors are forced to act as representatives of the state. I think the churches have made a bargain with the devil and they do not even realize that they have given up a bit of freedom of religion. The gays are right in one regard because in exchange for this loss of freedom the churches have accepted some level of endorsement of straight marriage. The individuals have also accepted a loss of freedom because they cannot get married in the first place without filling out the forms and asking for permission (a license). I know that you know all of this - much of what we write is for the benefit of those who will read in a google search...
    Dr.Who, Dec 5, 2012
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    their role technically is that of a witness. a minor requirement but significant. they cant act till a licence is produced and they are obligated to return an attestation that a marriage has occured.

    you could make the case that the state has no business with religous matters and probably be justified to say. the other side if the argument is that people could declare themselves married and demand benefits without legal requirement by any sort of self declared religous person. its the recording of the contract at the courthouse thst makes it legal and without yhat standing there can be no claims in court. kind of why so few states habe common law ones anymore.

    pribably a better way to accomplish this though.
    dogtowner, Dec 5, 2012
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  12. cashmcall Well-Known Member

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    Very well put..
    cashmcall, Dec 7, 2012
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    well there are plenty of current churches that would be fine offering marriage were it legal where they are. there are also many who offer sort of general blessing for those places where it is not.

    marriage has really always been a hybrid sort of thing and for good reason.

    its natural to seek out church blessing and it simply has always been a contract. the blessing is optional if you feel no need of it but the contract has to be made legal in he manner of the society where it occurs.
    dogtowner, Dec 7, 2012
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    So cash call, in answer to your question 'who am I prejudiced against?'

    The answer is gay people.

    You are homophobic. You discriminate against them on the grounds of their sexuality

    I'm surprised you didn't know that

    As for your 'some of my best friends are gay' routine....I just burst out laughing.
    Dawkinsrocks, Dec 8, 2012
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  15. cashmcall Well-Known Member

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    Wrong.. I am not homophobic..But I am a Christian..
    cashmcall, Dec 8, 2012
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    Which explains your ignorance

    You do discriminate against people on the grounds of their sexuality so you are sexist and you only do it against gay people

    You are a bigot

    Like all Christians

    To be fair I have no idea why gay people want to stand in a church making promises to someone who doesn't exist but unlike you I don't seek to prevent them from engaging in this ludicrous process

    You do because of some arcane reference in a work of fiction written before the dark ages

    How bizarre is that?
    Dawkinsrocks, Dec 11, 2012
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    I usually don't respond to post that are just ridiculous but just to be clear you accused a member of being homophobic and engaging in discrimination and when asked for an example you gave none but added that since he is a Christian he must automatically be a bigot "like all Christians".

    There is zero doubt that you are engaging in discrimination against all Christians and little evidence that Cashmcall is a bigot or engaging in harmful discrimination. Just to be thorough I will go back a few clicks to see if Cashmcall said anything to justify what appears to be an outrageous claim.

    Looking back I see that Cashmcall said he/she does not believe gay people should get married at all. This is possibly a discriminatory statement but also quite possibly just an example of one using a different definition of marriage than you or might even be based on a completely different chain of logic. Survey says: Ding Ding Ding - not discrimination unless more evidence is presented.

    P.s. cashmcall did not say gay people should be prevented from marrying only that he/she does not think they should - big difference.
    Dr.Who, Dec 13, 2012
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  18. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    There is so much wrong with your post I don't know where to start

    I don't need to cite an example of discrimination

    Cash call offered it by saying that gay people should be discriminated against in the marriage stakes

    And discriminating against Christians is a totally different thing

    Gay people are born gay and being gay does no harm to anyone

    Christians opt to believe their vicious mythology and seek to impose it on everyone. In fact Christianity is the ultimate in discrimination suggesting that millions of people should be burned for ever for not buying the ludicrous story of god. Christians just think that they have the right to discriminate but not be discriminated against which is totally in synch with their hypocrisy

    So maybe you should follow your own advice and return to not posting if the drivel you write above is an example of your ability
    Dawkinsrocks, Dec 14, 2012
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    Dr.Who, Dec 14, 2012
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    Your logic is flawed. You must be a progressive Democrat? Israel has never threatened to wipe a nation and its citizens off the map. Iran has. Your logic is much like saying, "We hear all this talk about how evil the Ku Klux Klan is, but nobody ever says that African Americans should give up their guns and other means of self-defense first as a sign of good faith". Fairly stupid logic in my opinion!

    The US has little or no fear of being attacked by a nuclear-capable Iran, but Israel would be insane not to fear the possibility. One moderately-well-aimed SCUD missile with a Hiroshima-sized nuclear warhead on it and a quarter or more of Israel's population could be dead! You should upgrade your thinking processes, kid!

    You seem to be a dedicated hater of Jews!
    TheJPRD, Dec 14, 2012
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