Turkeys voting for xmas

[Pandora]

You do like skating on thin ice don't you.

The US has a drugs problem that mamkes Amsterdam look like a kindergarten.

As for your other point that only countries that are short of food don't have an obesity problem I think this displays the gross ignorance that besets Americans about the rest of the world.

Wrong and wrong


have you ever even been to the US?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

In that regard, the drug war has had a mixed record, at least superficially. The percentage of the population reporting past-month use of some illicit drug declined by half between 1985 and 1992. Since then, however, drug use by that measure is up by about a third. Furthermore, current use of marijuana by teenagers increased substantially in the mid to late 1990s; in 2003, 21 percent of 12th-graders reported having used marijuana or hashish within the previous month.

I have been to the US

 

[Pandora]

In that regard, the drug war has had a mixed record, at least superficially. The percentage of the population reporting past-month use of some illicit drug declined by half between 1985 and 1992. Since then, however, drug use by that measure is up by about a third. Furthermore, current use of marijuana by teenagers increased substantially in the mid to late 1990s; in 2003, 21 percent of 12th-graders reported having used marijuana or hashish within the previous month.

I have been to the US

The left is pushing hard to make marijuana legal, the kids hear how great it is and how it should be legal and so they are smoking it. but with that said if you take all the drug users in the US by our population and compare it to the heroin addicted people in Amsterdam in regaurds to their population. they would have far more drug users.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Making drugs legal is probably the only way of sorting out the problem.

I would have thought that even you would know that prohibiton doesn't work.

Or is alcohol still illegal in the US.

 

[Not Amused]

Yep we do have that also, its the price you pay when you live in a land where even the homeless are fat we need for nothing unlike some other countries. If you have to be homeless this is the place to be, where even the homeless have to much food

Obamanation.

I know Dawkin sometimes winds you up (occasionally purposely I feel), but I am afraid, in my personal opinion, you have no-one to blame but yourself for allowing yourself to be baited so much.

The worst aspect is, that Dawkin post's appear to have at least an element of truth in them for the most part, whereas you rush in with a highly charged purely emotional response and make yourself look more than a little silly at times.

The truth of the matter is and any respectable stats, anywhere will support the following;

That those at most risk of obesity are those who fall within the most vulnerable segment of western society, in other words, the poor.

All available statistics show and have consistently shown over time, that those individuals on a low income are significantly more likely to be overweight, or obese than those who are financially comfortable.

Food education is also a key factor here with the same outcomes as the very poor are very often also poorly educated.

It appears absolutely clear to me Obamanation, one only has to do a little research at ones own supermarket.

You, I am sure have often noticed that the healthy foods like fruits, vegetables, fish and quality lean meats are far more expensive than foods loaded with saturated fat and with a high calorific value, such as biscuits, cookies, cheap but very fatty pieces of meat and frozen dinners.

Your insistence that even the homeless are well fed is a nonsense quite frankly.

 

[Pandora]

Obamanation.

I know Dawkin sometimes winds you up (occasionally purposely I feel), but I am afraid, in my personal opinion, you have no-one to blame but yourself for allowing yourself to be baited so much.

The worst aspect is, that Dawkin post's appear to have at least an element of truth in them for the most part, whereas you rush in with a highly charged purely emotional response and make yourself look more than a little silly at times.

The truth of the matter is and any respectable stats, anywhere will support the following;

That those at most risk of obesity are those who fall within the most vulnerable segment of western society, in other words, the poor.

All available statistics show and have consistently shown over time, that those individuals on a low income are significantly more likely to be overweight, or obese than those who are financially comfortable.

Food education is also a key factor here with the same outcomes as the very poor are very often also poorly educated.

It appears absolutely clear to me Obamanation, one only has to do a little research at ones own supermarket.

You, I am sure have often noticed that the healthy foods like fruits, vegetables, fish and quality lean meats are far more expensive than foods loaded with saturated fat and with a high calorific value, such as biscuits, cookies, cheap but very fatty pieces of meat and frozen dinners.

Your insistence that even the homeless are well fed is a nonsense quite frankly.

My point was not that the homeless or the poor can afford steak and lobster, but that the poor in America get food where the poor in other countrys do not always.

I dont agree this is always the case that good food cost more, but it is often the case. When peaches are on sale for 88 cents a pound and they often are, you can get a pretty large bag for 3 bucks but a large bag of doritos are 4 dollars a bag.

People have to make choices. We buy the fresh fruit that is on sale and we dont buy any junk food because it cost to much and its crappy for you. I look in the baskets of some people and wonder how they heck they can afford all that pop and chips and cookies and crap, but then again i dont get food stamps

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

And you are one person in 300 million.

I'm sorry to tell you but you are statistically irrelevant.

Your comments about food stamps are disgraceful

They indicate the mad views of those who think the poor should get even less help.

And if you think people are poor by choice you need to wake up.

If, for example, you are born to a single crack addicted mother your life is mapped out before you are five and it is not going to be good.

And that is nothing to do with your choice.

Your comments are shameful.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

You also sound like you arte not very well off so why the hell are you voting for the republicans which is only interested in making the rich richer?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Are you a turkey voting for xmas by any chance?

 

[Pandora]

And you are one person in 300 million.

I'm sorry to tell you but you are statistically irrelevant.

Your comments about food stamps are disgraceful

They indicate the mad views of those who think the poor should get even less help.

And if you think people are poor by choice you need to wake up.

If, for example, you are born to a single crack addicted mother your life is mapped out before you are five and it is not going to be good.

And that is nothing to do with your choice.

Your comments are shameful.

my comments on food stamps are disgraceful?

that is so funny. I have gotten food stamps before. Granted it was 15 years ago probably more like 20 but I did get them. And when I did I spent them as wise as I could. I did not buy junk crap, I bought things that would last and that were affordable. My brother and his girlfriend who also got food stamps bought tbone steaks, cherry pies and dr pepper and doritos. they sold as much of thier food stamps as they could for beer and they were the norm, I was not.

Most of the people I know get public assistance, most of them drive better cars than me or other people I work with. Most of them eat better at least half of the month than me and others i work with.

The programs are there, I dont begrudge them for applying for the program if it is there to apply for, but I know they would survive just fine without it. My daughter gets reduced price lunches. It does help right now especially with gas prices, but deep down I know if they didnt have the reduced lunches, I would be able to make her a sack lunch.

we should learn to take care of ourselves instead of expecting others to do it for us.

 

[Pandora]

You also sound like you arte not very well off so why the hell are you voting for the republicans which is only interested in making the rich richer?

No I am not well off. I am considered lower income. Just becaues I am lower income is no reason that I should expect other hard working Americans to pay my way. I need to pay my own way. We all need to learn to take care of ourselves, and live within our own means.

I want rich people in my country. Rich people start businesses, hire poor people to work for them. I dont want to live in a socialist nation where we are all the same, and that does seem where we are heading, sadly.

 

[Pandora]

Are you a turkey voting for xmas by any chance?

I don't celebrate christmas or believe in it.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Oh you really have fallen for the argument that the rich and powerful use to keep you down don't you?

There are plenty of countries where the Government does far more for their people than the US Government does.

In most countries in europe there is much better medical provision and better social security.

There is less obesisty, better literacy and less religious fundamentalism.

Why shouldn't the Governement help you?

Why should you have to do it all yourself?

You didn't choose your place on the starting grid.

And if it is down to choices as you indicate why don't you get off your ass and become rich?

 

[Pandora]

Oh you really have fallen for the argument that the rich and powerful use to keep you down don't you?

There are plenty of countries where the Government does far more for their people than the US Government does.

In most countries in europe there is much better medical provision and better social security.

There is less obesisty, better literacy and less religious fundamentalism.

Why shouldn't the Governement help you?

Why should you have to do it all yourself?

You didn't choose your place on the starting grid.

And if it is down to choices as you indicate why don't you get off your ass and become rich?

America was not meant to be like other socialist nations.

The Government is meant to protect and defend our nation. We are meant to take care of our self.

If someone likes the idea of robbing the rich to let the poor squander they should MOVE and go live in a socialist nation

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Oh so you like money bebing spent on war rather than the people of the US.

You really have swallowed it.

BTW none of the countries in Europe that I refer to are socialist countries.

That is more US brainwashing.

You have been suckered into believing that countries that look after their poor well are socialists or commies and are therefore evil.

They aren't and this argument is spun to you so that the Rich don't have to give you any of their money.

It's like turkey's voting for xmas