The Scotsman
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No...how does it work in the US nowadays?Don't know how diplomacy works Scotty?
No...how does it work in the US nowadays?Don't know how diplomacy works Scotty?
It's how it works in China as regards this.No...how does it work in the US nowadays?
Okay...so whatever the Chinese want the US grants them.... bit like Russia then?It's how it works in China as regards this.
having a great time = grant them whatever they want ?Okay...so whatever the Chinese want the US grants them.... bit like Russia then?
You tell me? I was interested in the US foreign policy stance based on the current state of US diplomacy (as opposed to US domestic rhetoric) and its relationships that Tillerson and Trump etal are fucking up world-wide at the moment, however, you seem unable to engage.having a great time = grant them whatever they want ?
All I have is what you write and I responded to that. I have little desire to find anything between the lines you write.You tell me? I was interested in the US foreign policy stance based on the current state of US diplomacy (as opposed to US domestic rhetoric) and its relationships that Tillerson and Trump etal are fucking up world-wide at the moment, however, you seem unable to engage.
Maybe a Trump voter can shed some light on this - what is the success of this visit?
Don't know how diplomacy works Scotty?
In terms of what? Access to markets or defence of intellectual property rights or removal of investment barriers... I don't think so. The hard issues that Trump was railling against were not discussed. Trump's only goal it seemed(?) was this obsession with North Korea so he avoided the difficult conversations in order to make is case with Xi on NK - to which the Chinese only reaffirmed what they were already prepared to do.China has shifted it's policy since Trump took the reins but you choose to not see that
ReutersWashington has refrained from pushing harder on trade because it needs China’s cooperation on North Korea, although Xi, at least in public, went no further than reiterating China’s determination to achieve denuclearization through talks.
The US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, admitted to journalists in China that the deals were “pretty small” in the context of the US-China goods trade deficit, which was around $350bn in 2016.
As I was saying....having a great time = grant them whatever they want ?
It was announced that China plans to invest $100bn in US energy projects.
This will include an $84m Chinese state investment in West Virginian shale gas and chemical manufacturing and $43m for Alaskan liquefied natural gas.
But the reality is that China has been eager to invest in Western energy for years. It was famously rebuffed by the US Congress when it attempted to buy a minor American oil company called Unocal way back in 2005.
The problem has been Western reticence to allow Beijing to do so. Trump is simply giving China what it has long wanted.
Politicians in Washington came out in strong opposition to Cnooc's efforts to win Unocal, saying the state-owned oil company was acting as a proxy for the Chinese government and seeking to secure strategically valuable U.S. energy assets.
Is Mr. Trump likely to detail his staggeringly brilliant negotiation of over $250Billion on "new" deals? Or maybe just fire Tillerson for saying they amounted to chicken feed....
Thats okay insofar as if one has hitched one's horses to a particular carriage and one becomes bound by a sense of loyalty, however, it does not mean that you have to agree with everything and defend evey aspect of his conduct and dealings! We live in a world where we can challenge our own perspectives!Nope. He has fools like Dog supporting him, thus he needs to prove nothing. And there is no way that reality will ever change Dogs mind.
Thats okay insofar as if one has hitched one's horses to a particular carriage and one becomes bound by a sense of loyalty, however, it does not mean that you have to agree with everything and defend evey aspect of his conduct and dealings! We live in a world where we can challenge our own perspectives!
I am by inclination a conservative person (in the context of UK politics) and I vote Conservative, however, if you asked me what I felt about the Conservative Party, their leadership and senior ministers then there would be a lot of swear words - they suc and suc hugh. I just think that the duplicitousness of Trump and the way he treats his supporters is just astounding! I feel sorry for the likes of Doggy and indeed most of Americans because personally I think they have been let down by Trump - I have no idea what worldview the average American Republican has and have no idea what they think is happening outside their country but Trump is not "doing a great job" for them.