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the annoying thing said:
Wrong the the wall would have slowed down illegals and drugs.
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Not by now it most certainly would not have. And probably not ever, as we would still have 1000s of miles of maritime border to the east and west and 100s of miles of border that cannot be fenced.

No need for an expensive, ineffective wall. A fence would acheive the same thing, which would really be only to redirect migrants to desired points of entry. This has been studied many times over.

It would not have cost "just a few bbillion". It would require maintenance and monitoring. Forever. So that's just plain false.

The migrant crisis exists because of factors we cannot control. What we CAN control is improving our system. Give them and easier, legit pathway to citizenship and to work visas.
 
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Chauncey Gardner said:
Thanks goodness they did stop it, the expensive wall envisioned by Trump clearly would have been a waste of money. We can see it already in the places where it was built. Incompetent contractors, weak construction, high maintenance, and no longevity.

Furthermore, it's not as if the wall would have even been 25% done by now, so it would have had no effect on current migrant numbers. None.

He could not have just deported every asylum seeker. No President can do that. The laws are on the books, and the SCOTUS would not allow such unconstitutional measures.

Trump had both halls of congress for a while. His actions during that time show clearly what his priorities really are and are not. And it's not immigration. That's obviously lip service.
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Alas, the charts show that some of this discussion doesn't recognize reality...
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The border wall that was built helps even now with large openings. Had construction continued to the completion of the goal, things would be even better. Unfortunately, policy matters almost more than holes in the border. To wit: the Border Patrol Officers are instructed what do do with the several kinds of people coming in, and even if the boarder wall went sea to sea, their instruction would be the same, they would just be jamming ordinary commercial crossings. Who says not?
 
LittleGreenMan said:
Alas, the charts show that some of this discussion doesn't recognize reality...
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The border wall that was built helps even now with large openings. Had construction continued to the completion of the goal, things would be even better. Unfortunately, policy matters almost more than holes in the border. To wit: the Border Patrol Officers are instructed what do do with the several kinds of people coming in, and even if the boarder wall went sea to sea, their instruction would be the same, they would just be jamming ordinary commercial crossings. Who says not?
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It des not help now. In fact, all it has done is fail. The construction failed, it's falling apart. It has been breached at will whenever anyone has attempted it.

And these migrants are humans, not robots programmed to shut down when they encounter a barrier. People will simply enter elsewhere, as they have always done.

The "wall" is a symbolic handout to white nationalists. Nothing more.
 
Chauncey Gardner said:
It des not help now. In fact, all it has done is fail. The construction failed, it's falling apart. It has been breached at will whenever anyone has attempted it.

And these migrants are humans, not robots programmed to shut down when they encounter a barrier. People will simply enter elsewhere, as they have always done.

The "wall" is a symbolic handout to white nationalists. Nothing more.
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None of the other systems that would have supported the closure have been continued either. No policies as instituted by Trump and enforced by people on the ground; No turning back droves into Mexico which would have driven the Mex govt to do something constructive to stem the flow into Mexico; Border Patrol officers would not be tied down escorting illegals into the country and doing clerical duties and be free to run down the greatly lower influx of people; No drones in problem zones or in-between wide zones where access is limited by unfriendly terrain; in toto a system design to do the job and a policy to get the job done accomplishes the goals intended. The goal now is different, and is being accomplished exactly as intended. Probably exceeding the wildest goals of our enemies, -that's the CCP, terrorists and the Biden administration, NOT the citizens of America. GIGO
 
the annoying thing said:
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I do not know what Trump would of done. I do not like him either. His policy were better.
No president do not control the universe but they do have a great deal of control of policy.
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That's "would have done", Skippy. You're never gonna get into Jr. High with that kind of grammar.
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Chauncey Gardner said:
Not by now it most certainly would not have. And probably not ever, as we would still have 1000s of miles of maritime border to the east and west and 100s of miles of border that cannot be fenced.

No need for an expensive, ineffective wall. A fence would acheive the same thing, which would really be only to redirect migrants to desired points of entry. This has been studied many times over.

It would not have cost "just a few bbillion". It would require maintenance and monitoring. Forever. So that's just plain false.

The migrant crisis exists because of factors we cannot control. What we CAN control is improving our system. Give them and easier, legit pathway to citizenship and to work visas.
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Democrats do not want illegal immigration stopped so no wonder they stoutly opposed Trump's efforts to build a border wall.
 
Chauncey Gardner said:
It des not help now. In fact, all it has done is fail. The construction failed, it's falling apart. It has been breached at will whenever anyone has attempted it.

And these migrants are humans, not robots programmed to shut down when they encounter a barrier. People will simply enter elsewhere, as they have always done.

The "wall" is a symbolic handout to white nationalists. Nothing more.
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What does not seem to be falling apart is massive Democrat support for destructive invasions of illegal immigrants into the US.
 
Chauncey Gardner said:
Because the border cannot be closed.

Nor can a US President control what migrants do.
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Democrats claim the border cannot be closed and that Biden has 'fixed' the immigration crisis they stupidly claim was caused Trump and that the lefties brought the immigration crisis under control. I don't know which of these lying leftist propagandists are just stupid and which ones are just pathological liars.
 
Chauncey Gardner said:
Not by now it most certainly would not have. And probably not ever, as we would still have 1000s of miles of maritime border to the east and west and 100s of miles of border that cannot be fenced.

No need for an expensive, ineffective wall. A fence would acheive the same thing, which would really be only to redirect migrants to desired points of entry. This has been studied many times over.

It would not have cost "just a few bbillion". It would require maintenance and monitoring. Forever. So that's just plain false.

The migrant crisis exists because of factors we cannot control. What we CAN control is improving our system. Give them and easier, legit pathway to citizenship and to work visas.
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Our borders can be protected it's a liberal hoax that it can not.

Biden has done nothing to slow it or stop it. As a matter of fact that was the plan
Chauncey Gardner said:
It des not help now. In fact, all it has done is fail. The construction failed, it's falling apart. It has been breached at will whenever anyone has attempted it.

And these migrants are humans, not robots programmed to shut down when they encounter a barrier. People will simply enter elsewhere, as they have always done.

The "wall" is a symbolic handout to white nationalists. Nothing more.
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The wall would of cost 18 billion and I think that included funding for more technology.
Add in a couple billion more for additional staff .It would indeed slow thing down Compared to the what we spend on illegals is a drop in the bucket. The crossing multiplied when Biden opened the welcome matt.
As for being humans that's true but it's thier own what hole nations that created they are leaving. It's not our responsibility
 
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