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Neutrality is the Answer - They Didn't Attack Switzerland

Discussion in 'World Politics' started by Truth-Bringer, Apr 7, 2007.

  1. 9sublime

    9sublime Well-Known Member

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    Palerider what nationalities do you like apart from Americans and Jews?
     
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    Your quotes are not findings, they are claims, nothing more. The only thing "shown" was that the swiss did business, a lot of business with the nazis.

    Then feel free to provide some PROOF that the report is wrong. Suggesting that data is wrong based on no more than where it comes from constitutes an ad hominem circumstantial attack.

    It does not change the fact that the swiss didn't get attacked, because they were hitler's bankers.

    I never said that they were pro nazi. I said that they didn't get attacked because they were hitler's bankers. They were providing him liquid assets for his war effort in exchange for looted gold.
     
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    FDR is completely beside the point and for you to inject him into this discussion is for you to erect a strawman. This thread isn't about FDR, it is about how the swiss kept from being attacked.

    Further irrelavence since the topic of this thread isn't about the immigration policies of the US either.

    More irrelavence. Is it really necessary to remind you of what the topic of this thread is?
     
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    I like all nationalities, but likeing them doesn't mean that I have to disregard their history does it? The men who did business with hitler to keep the nazis from attacking their country are all dead now, or so old that they have become irrelavent. Their actions don't reflect on switzerland today.
     
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    You like all nationalities? I reckon I could find lots of quotes that are pretty much blatant racism against Muslims.
     
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    muslim is neither a nationality nor a race.
     
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    9sublime Well-Known Member

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    General hatred of Muslims.
     
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    Not hatred. Specific dislike. I dislike those who engage in terrorism, and I dislike those who condone and encourage them (terrorists) with their silence.
     
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    Switzerland was not neutral.
    <Though neutral Switzerland adhered to the mandatory international rules during World War 2, while the warfaring nations violated even these (neither Germany nor the Allies respected Swiss air space, Allied aircraft even dropped about 70 bombs on Switzerland), it is evident that being neutral would call for a spirit of neutrality that was offended by important Swiss actors.

    Switzerland's national bank, private Swiss bankers and private manufacturers of war material exploited in fact every loophole in the regulations for their business with Nazi Germany. This was evidently not the notion of neutrality and so Swiss Federal Councillor [member of government] Max Petitpierre (in office 1945-1951) had to admit as early as 1947:

    These credits and the deliveries of war material and other products [...] contributed to the war efforts of one of the belligerents. Not only had we abandonded integral neutrality, but - even worse - in so doing, we were as a rule deviating from the very notion of neutrality.
    (Max Petitpierre, speech given at a conference of Swiss diplomates, in: Swiss Diplomatic Documents (SDD) vol. 17, nr. 26, p. 87, quoted after Independent Commission of Experts Switzerland - World War II, final report, p. 519)>

    And as far as the Muslim goes :
    But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful
     
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    9sublime Well-Known Member

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    Well if you have a specific dislike of Muslims, then you can understand and not hold it against them if they have a specific dilike of Western people in general because its just as much of an ignorant and stupid thing to believe.

    Your brand of conservativism is just as backward as radical Islam, just not as violent and it achieves nothing positive, just like radical Islam.
     
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    Well said.
     
  12. palerider

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    So thier bombing and killing and terrorism is analagous to my pointing out the truth about islam?

    And did I say that I have a specific dislike of muslims, or did I say that I had a specific dislike of those who engage in terrorism and of those who condone and encourage it through their silence. If you believe that with that statment I am saying that I specifically dislike all muslims, then you are implying, in effect, that there are only those two types of muslims. Are you saying that there are only two types? Terrorists and those who support and encourage terrorism?

    Describe my "brand" of conservativism. List off a few of the tenets of my "brand" of conservativism. Tell me something about the philosophy of my "brand" of conservativism.

    Or admit that you really don't know much about conservativism or its tenets, or its philosophy and that you were just being sarcastic because you really didn't have an adequate rebuttal to my statement.
     
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    How have I ever implied that their are only two types of Muslims, ones who commit crimes and supporters of these crimes.

    I've been saying the complete opposite.

    You've taken my last quote, twisted it and made it go against my main point
    in this debate, that most Muslims DON'T SUPPORT TERRORISM AND THAT THEIR SILENCE ISN'T SUPPORT.

    As for your brand of conservatism, I am saying that you are just as filled with hate for religions, races and cultures as a lot of violent Muslims are, but rather than blowing stuff up you just sit behind a computer and ***** and moan because you havn't got any balls to change the world. You don't want the world to change, except for it to get more traditionally American. Your thinking is backward.

    And how do I not even know the basics of conservatism.
     
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    sh it I'll say it. there are only two types of religious people. ONes who kill in the name of their God, and ones who support them, either directly or indirectly.
     
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    I'm not religious, and I believe it does more harm than good, but thats just absoloute bollocks.
     
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