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Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by GenSeneca, Aug 26, 2008.

  1. GenSeneca

    GenSeneca Well-Known Member

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    Yes, ignore any thread that talks specifically about issues...

    Compare McCain, Obama and Barr on Healthcare:

     
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    you know you realy may want to change the thread title lol I think people are listing to it....now back to try to actuly read it...
     
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    Well it seems to me both Major party canidates are looking to further increase federal power over helthcare in general while bob is looking to start removing competition controls .....

    Hrmm... Might be on to something.. Wait in line for hours to get cough drops?

    Ohh yeah I am all about that.. cause yes I want to be back-schueduled for my pregreant g/f to have her 3 month check up 4 months after its passed.

    Well at least big brother takes care of everything for me... BTW .. federally issued butt wipers by 2015? Its POSSIBLE!!! Just keep that Social healthcare system ALIVE AND WELL and no one will have to wipe the crap from their buttocks in 10 years.. (( thou you may be on a year long wait list cause there's 400 million other americans who also need their butts wiped. ))

    Can we start comparing Social healthcare to Cartmen's Mom yet?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnAviW8Z-x0
     
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    McCains plan...its like a bandaid on gunshot wound...may it help sure, but its not going to fix anything. I am guessing each of these is taken from there own website or platform as the McCain plan clearly was bias to McCain in the way it was written , so I am guessing a 3rd party did not type these all as one. the "even Obam a and Clinton part"

    access to fast medical help in reatil stores...what a great idea ...to bad we have that? its called the Min Clinic....and its still not cheap if you dont have insurance. I have a horrible case of Bronchtus that was keeping me from being able to work ( you can say suck it up and go to work, but for what I do, you cant be hacking and puking while you work, it tends to be not go well even if wanted to try to ( and I did on the better days) It was still going to cost around 100+ to get treated there, and is low gues given that the cost of drugs these days) But I had a 2nd choice..good old black market deals...where the new American health care system is going...I was going to get some meds a freind had left over and take them, its was the same type of drug, just mabe not the one I would get from a Dr but we felt it would have the same effect...or close...this of course is not safe but I did not have 100+ bucks laying around , more so after missing some work ( that had I been able to go get meds right away I most likey would have never got so bad I could not go to work) Needless to say this part of his plan is already in place and while nice, its not going to fix the health care system. And it was also very limited in what you could get done there.

    his plan for caping lawsuits...it could be fine, but what cap? and who decideds what is a bad lawsuit? I thoght we had as that judical system in place that was suppose to do that . I could be fine with a cap, but I question if its realy the issue...or if insurance companys are just useing it as a excuse to rape more profits from Dr's and Medical professionals.

    "encuraging states to lower costs" what a great plan...tell states to try to lower costs....Im not sure what the states are going to do, but lets put it all on them...after all the republicans have been good at that before...NO Child Lift Behind...here states do this....and no will will not fund it we just shifted the problem to you and said look what we did....


    trasnparancy ...I think all three support more of this, and I agree with this.

    ReImporting drugs.....Both McCain and Obama talked about this...my question why should we have to reimport them? If they can send teh drug to the UK or Canada and then send them back to here cheaper....then something is wrong with our system or they are just raping us ...Fix that and then we dont need ti Re import.. and that should be even cheaper....I put my money on the rape part,,,,but im sure its a combo of factors.

    Cordinated care....to be honest I have no idea what he is talking about here...

    the smoking thing....realy people dont know there are programs? Cuz I see adds all the time for patches, clinics, Blue Cross has a program, ext....here in MN we have a new program in place..called you cant smoke at the bar...I know many who just stopped after that....

    Barr....

    if your health care plan is that short, I suspect it falls very short of the major issues in our system. Basicly his whole plan, let insurance compeat more, and thats it....there is not much for compeating for plans as I will just guess 90% of coverage by Americans is picked in this way....my work offers this...soi that is what I have....it sucks but thats what they offer and I am not going to pay even more for some other plan that they dont help cover the cost on, I cant afford that.

    I could say more, but I dont want to type more words then his whole plan ....

    Obama...

    That is a Plan, real stated ideas and things I think we can do. Its not just the goverment says here this is yoru coverage,,,,but it offers evryone a chance to buy coverage, and useing the power sams club ( aka massive amount of people and thus power) get basic coverage at a lower price to anyone. And credits to help those who still fall below the set standard income to help them make sure they get coverage. And Coverage for kids I think needs to be a major focus...kids dont have a choice in coverage , they ccant choose to get coverage , and should not be punished for the fact their parents chose not to, or just simply cant. I think there is enough in the plan to try to push for them to compeate, reduce cost, and also ways for all familys to have a chance to get into a plan , and not have that plan tied to your job. Health care being tied to jobs to me, is a Giant Shackle on the leg of workers that makes movment in the job market harder and hard, even more so for someone with kids, or a illness already.

    Its a huge plan, and I am sure not all of it would pass, but I think its the best blueprint to start with, and after making some moves to get a few moderate republicans to it, would be the best plan by far..

    Lucky alll of them seem to see he need more then Bush does,,who has for the most part done nothing for 8 years about it.
     
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    where the heck to you get your cough drops? I get them at the gas station...

    And I dont see how letting people buy coverage = Socialist Health Care...what is the difference between my getting my health care plan threw work becuse they get a better rate , then the goverment offering the same thing...they still dont do the health care, they just give you the means to actuly have coverage and you still are able to get it where that coverage plan is in place...just like any other company plan, where you are free to make your choices.....within there guidlines.....
     
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    I dont like any of the plans, but since McCains is the least change I like it best. Obama's plan would not effect me but it would effect the lady who babysits for me. She would get the big brother manditory thing for health care for her 4 kids. It would break her, and since her day care is considered a small business her taxes would go up. she is hardly making it as it is, so I feel bad for her.

    Nothing in Obamas plan would hurt me personally, but nothing in any of the plans would do that. But Obama's is the only one that would directly effect her family in a negative way
     
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    they give you credit if you are low income to pay for the coverage for kids, you dont just have to pay for it. She may pay nothing or very very little for her. And trust me if something happens to her kids without coverage,

    1. someone will pay for it anyway
    2. it will cost her alot alot more money without insurance.
     
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    Who gives a rip what any of them say about healthcare? IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF YOU!!! THERE IS NO "HUMAN RIGHT" TO HEALTHCARE!!
     
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    that is one perspective. Does this principle apply to the "security" too?? Seems that a populations health is a right , as if a population is unhealthy, the rest does not matter one whit.


    Gov't are elected to "care for a population". Why do you think the population analyses the policies that the gov't has and how they affect them and the world at large?? If it were not the 'g' responsibility to "care" for its population,.........then all security issues should be parcelled out to private business . and the G should be left out of the equation.
     
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    That might be true but there is no way that a single American can rectify the increasing costs of healthcare with some kinda of intervention from above.. as it stands.. If the government completely removed themselves from it.. the same or worse would continue... most insurance companies are owned by monoplies governing the price with little care to ensure cost-effitive measures are in place except to reduce their over-head.

    It would be compeltley different if we had thousands upon thousands of healthcare insurers... where free market could allow us to chose the lower of them all.. but across the board rates are going up and options are going down. Even with my previous employer this was the case.. thou it was a giant corperation that actually invested millions of dollars into helping to off-set health-care costs... our premiums were still increased and beinfiets reduced while deducatables went up. It happening everywhere.. unfortunately there is no way to off-set it.

    If you know of a better way that I have yet come across of.. please by all means let me know..
     
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    there is no human right to cops, the fire Dept, army......no right to roads......yet oddly we have them all
     
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    maybe if we ignore it , it will just fix itself...:rolleyes::)
     
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    ROFLMAO!!! right.. I hate to say it .. but unfortunately corprations are showing us that they don't value us as customers since they cannot regulate themselves to lower costs.

    We have no one else to lean on to get the job done..

    Again.. if a better idea exisists .. I'm all ears.. hell .. I am a Ron Paul supporter and I still don't think that freeing up the market will encourage the corps to "do the right thing"
     
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