Holder hits a new low

[BigRob]

has anyone said was was not poorly planned or a Failure? and Holder was not the one planning and running it.

Yes...Holder himself testified on May 3 to the House Judiciary Committee that he did not know who approved Fast and Furious, but that it was being investigated.

And yes I am relating it to legal gun sales...as that was part of the problem is that evry action they took was often not able to be shown Illegal in AZ. They fine a Mule with a background thats clean, give him money...He buys guns in large amounts....He legaly can buy those guns...

He signs something that says he does not intend to resell them...Unless you can prove intent here you lost already as he can change his mind 5 min after he buys and not break a law.

He Sells guns to someone else....again Legal...

The only Illegal part comes from if you can prove the conspiracy...the acts alone violate no law...or at least can not be proven to do so. Thus they tried to Wiretap the people to get them.

Now if you only knew that someone was legally buying guns and legally selling them, and republicans found out they where trying to wiretap the people...they would scream 2nd Amendment.

Ask most Republicans....should you be able to buy as many guns as you wish? Yes
Should you be able to sell those guns to someone else? Yes
Should you be able to take your guns with you if you leave the nation...Yes

All Actions needed to be taken by a gun runner would be and for the most part are Legal...In fact nut job republicans are now claiming it was all some conspiracy to toughen these laws...of cours thats a stupid idea as the issue is with the courts ruling against them and a pro gun state is not going to change. Also It was the Right making a big deal about it, not the left. Left up to the left the issue would be gone and the public would not even know what you where talking about. I have even talked to Republicans who think that Democrats shot and kill the border agent just to set everything up....Tin Foil hats all around.

The issue at hand is not gun control -- the issue at hand is how we allowed such a idiotic plan to go forward, and who is responsible for it.

 

[Cruella]

Yes...Holder himself testified on May 3 to the House Judiciary Committee that he did not know who approved Fast and Furious, but that it was being investigated.
The issue at hand is not gun control -- the issue at hand is how we allowed such an idiotic plan to go forward, and who is responsible for it.

And why they lied, why are they covering it up and now why is Obama using executive privilege if he wasn't involved, as he said. Holder has not allowed witnesses to even be interviewed. This is a lot bigger issue than most people realize. There are two dead agents, several Mexican police, and hundreds of Mexican citizens.

Holder lied and people died.

 

[dogtowner]

has anyone said was was not poorly planned or a Failure? and Holder was not the one planning and running it. And yes I am relating it to legal gun sales...as that was part of the problem is that evry action they took was often not able to be shown Illegal in AZ. They fine a Mule with a background thats clean, give him money...He buys guns in large amounts....He legaly can buy those guns...

He signs something that says he does not intend to resell them...Unless you can prove intent here you lost already as he can change his mind 5 min after he buys and not break a law.

He Sells guns to someone else....again Legal...

The only Illegal part comes from if you can prove the conspiracy...the acts alone violate no law...or at least can not be proven to do so. Thus they tried to Wiretap the people to get them.

Now if you only knew that someone was legally buying guns and legally selling them, and republicans found out they where trying to wiretap the people...they would scream 2nd Amendment.

Ask most Republicans....should you be able to buy as many guns as you wish? Yes
Should you be able to sell those guns to someone else? Yes
Should you be able to take your guns with you if you leave the nation...Yes

All Actions needed to be taken by a gun runner would be and for the most part are Legal...In fact nut job republicans are now claiming it was all some conspiracy to toughen these laws...of cours thats a stupid idea as the issue is with the courts ruling against them and a pro gun state is not going to change. Also It was the Right making a big deal about it, not the left. Left up to the left the issue would be gone and the public would not even know what you where talking about. I have even talked to Republicans who think that Democrats shot and kill the border agent just to set everything up....Tin Foil hats all around.

perjury on Holder's part. he said he kn ew no details and in the whistle bolower's documents was shown to be deceitful. wonder why ?

 

[dogtowner]

I could also yell at the wall to turn blue...and it would be about as effective. If I ignored all the idiot statements by people I don't think could deal with facts...I would have very little to post in here.

and so you neither refute and attack instead. I'll pretend to act surprised.

 

[dogtowner]

Yes...Holder himself testified on May 3 to the House Judiciary Committee that he did not know who approved Fast and Furious, but that it was being investigated.



The issue at hand is not gun control -- the issue at hand is how we allowed such a idiotic plan to go forward, and who is responsible for it.

option two to no ability to refute: tangent.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Yes...Holder himself testified on May 3 to the House Judiciary Committee that he did not know who approved Fast and Furious, but that it was being investigated.



The issue at hand is not gun control -- the issue at hand is how we allowed such a idiotic plan to go forward, and who is responsible for it.

And in order to find that out we need to know what Holder and Obama talked about? Not likely. Same idiot pushing for documents was also pushing him before for documents that would publish assets we had and informant info...something that was illegal to do...but the idiot pushed for them anyway..

And gun control is a not the issue...the Hypocrisy of the Right and the nut job conspiracy driving the witch hunt are.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

and so you neither refute and attack instead. I'll pretend to act surprised.

your idea is to stupid to refute..

Mitt Romney is a Alien from Mars who eats babies in order to stay alive...Refute it,..

Pretty pointless to try to refute something so dumb would you not agree?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

perjury on Holder's part. he said he kn ew no details and in the whistle bolower's documents was shown to be deceitful. wonder why ?

funny how you guys pretend Perjury is so big when its a Dem..but when its a Republican you give him a get out of jail free card. Perjury = intent...Being wrong is not perjury. Put LIbby back in jail and maybe I would pretend you guys care about Perjury...

 

[dogtowner]

funny how you guys pretend Perjury is so big when its a Dem..but when its a Republican you give him a get out of jail free card. Perjury = intent...Being wrong is not perjury. Put LIbby back in jail and maybe I would pretend you guys care about Perjury...

he was convicted as will Holder be difference is BO won't be around to pardon him.

 

[BigRob]

And in order to find that out we need to know what Holder and Obama talked about? Not likely.

That is not really what Issa is after...

Same idiot pushing for documents was also pushing him before for documents that would publish assets we had and informant info...something that was illegal to do...but the idiot pushed for them anyway..

Who was this?

And gun control is a not the issue...the Hypocrisy of the Right and the nut job conspiracy driving the witch hunt are.

No -- the issue is the gun walking -- and the death of a United States Border Patrol agent.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

Obama will issue a blanket pardon for all his administration on his last day.

Clinton pretty much did the same thing. Through--Eric Holder.
These guys know this game well.
Hell--they're all from Chi-Town.
Maybe even pardon Blago!

 

[TheJPRD]

funny how you guys pretend Perjury is so big when its a Dem..but when its a Republican you give him a get out of jail free card. Perjury = intent...Being wrong is not perjury. Put LIbby back in jail and maybe I would pretend you guys care about Perjury...

Libby resigned his office, and was tried and convicted on several counts. You may not like the fact that he was pardoned, but he lost his job, his reputation, and most hopes for success in a future career. I'm not insisting that Holder go to jail. Kick him out of office, ruin his further career in "law", and I'll be satisfied. Bush did't interfere with the prosecution of Libby, though he could have pardoned him before any actions were taken against him. We Conservatives know how Obama would react if Holder is indicted by a Grand Jury...... he'd pardon him and promote him! That's how the liberal Dems handle their beloved criminals. Don't lecture us Conservatives about "lawlessness". Democrat progessives invented the word, and with the help of the MSM, they've turned "lawlessness" into an art form!!

 

[Johnny Tremain]

Libby resigned his office, and was tried and convicted on several counts. You may not like the fact that he was pardoned, but he lost his job, his reputation, and most hopes for success in a future career. I'm not insisting that Holder go to jail. Kick him out of office, ruin his further career in "law", and I'll be satisfied. Bush did't interfere with the prosecution of Libby, though he could have pardoned him before any actions were taken against him. We Conservatives know how Obama would react if Holder is indicted by a Grand Jury...... he'd pardon him and promote him! That's how the liberal Dems handle their beloved criminals. Don't lecture us Conservatives about "lawlessness". Democrat progessives invented the word, and with the help of the MSM, they've turned "lawlessness" into an art form!!

Who pardoned Marc Rich and who arranged it?
http://www.salon.com/2009/01/16/holder_4/