Andy
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Greco,
Is political fighting more important to you than saving our own arses? Seriously. This is how you come across. Don't you think that we should all be considering HOW we can contribute to repairing our economy instead of finger pointing?
Well duh, of course. However, you're coming across as a defender of obstuctists. There were Republican senators that voted FOR the Wall Street bailout with no accountablility, no pay reductions, no CEO bonus reductions, etc., then voted against the automotive bailout because factory workers wouldn't have their wages reduced. If there is "political fighting", it's coming from the Republicans.
LOL! You just spent this entire section, foolishly blaming republicans for everything, and then said if there's political fighting, it's the republicans. That's idiocy.
Hogwash. Your claim is wrong and false.
Hogwash. Your claim is wrong and false.
He and other Republicans said wages and benefits for employees of Detroit's Big Three should be renegotiated to bring them in line with those paid by Japanese carmakers Toyota, Honda and Nissan in the United States.
You don't state who "he" is. But it's a stupid proposition to only expect the factory workers to take a pay hit. Apparently "he" doesn't think the top execuctives should have a pay cut, or no bonuses.
Do you even know how much the CEOs are paid? Or how much the CEOs of other auto makers are paid?
Hourly wages for UAW workers at GM factories are about equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour. But the unionized factories have far higher benefit costs.
GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69, including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers.
No they don't say that all. That's your interpretation. GM uses the $69 hourly wage, but their number is falsely inflated to include the pensions of RETIRED, not current factory works.
Falsely inflated lol! Um... if it costs that much per hour of labor, to pay legacy costs, then it isn't a false inflation... is it? You failed basic logic, didn't you?
Republicans also bitterly opposed tougher environmental rules carmakers would have to meet as part of the House-passed version of the rescue package and the Senate dropped them from its package.
Well of course they are. Why try to make a vehicle more fuel efficient, less poluting, when campaign contritutors pay you think otherwise?
Or maybe the voters, vote for them, specifically because they think otherwise. The crappy car years of the late 70s and 80s are exactly because of crap legislation. We don't need more of that.
Some Senate Democrats joined Republicans in turning against the House-passed bill - despite increasingly urgent expressions of support from the White House and President-elect Barack Obama for quick action to spare the economy the added pain of a potential automaker collapse"
The above is from CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4661859.shtml
Whether it's $73 (last year) or $69 (current) it doesn't really matter because it's too D@MN MUCH to compete!
It's also a false and intentionally misleading claim that the the current hourly wage is even close to what Republicans are claiming.
Republicans claim it is? Everyone who knows anything about it, claims that it is. The only people who say it isn't, are know-nothings on internet forums who couldn't run a lemonade stand if their life depended on it.