A question for the "so-called" pro-life people:

[PLC1]

She deserved treatment. Abortion was by no means the only or best option. Again this is not proof that protecting the rights to life of a living human baby harms mothers. The law after did clearly stated that her life was equally important as the baby's - it is very reasonable to protect two lives equally. This is an example of a over burdened bureaucratic and confused health care system failing the patient.

It is an example of draconian and ill advised right to life law giving doctors the choice of risking the patient's life, or risking their own careers and liberty. It is an example of unintended consequences of overly harsh laws, and of what happens when laws are based on religious beliefs.

If you read the article, then you understand that aborting a living fetus would have placed the doctors in jeopardy of life in prison, and that the fetus spent a lot of time dying. Had it been aborted sooner, even if it had still had a heartbeat, then the mother would have survived.

And there are people who want to pass similar laws in the United States. How ill advised is that?

 

[Dr.Who]

It is an example of draconian and ill advised right to life law giving doctors the choice of risking the patient's life, or risking their own careers and liberty. It is an example of unintended consequences of overly harsh laws, and of what happens when laws are based on religious beliefs.

If you read the article, then you understand that aborting a living fetus would have placed the doctors in jeopardy of life in prison, and that the fetus spent a lot of time dying. Had it been aborted sooner, even if it had still had a heartbeat, then the mother would have survived.

And there are people who want to pass similar laws in the United States. How ill advised is that?

That is spin.

She was not given any treatment at all and she should have been. if she had been treated even in a country where an abortion would not have been allowed she would still be alive.

And yes doctors who kill living humans should face trial. But they never needed to worry about that since they could have given her other treatments and they failed.

 

[dogtowner]

She deserved treatment. Abortion was by no means the only or best option. Again this is not proof that protecting the rights to life of a living human baby harms mothers. The law after did clearly stated that her life was equally important as the baby's - it is very reasonable to protect two lives equally. This is an example of a over burdened bureaucratic and confused health care system failing the patient.

kinda demistrates how other countries seem to have "better" healthcare per buck. taking that baby early would be more ecpensive and ruled out.

 

[Openmind]

Right. The woman did not die because she did not get an abortion. She died because she did not receive any treatment at all. It is a strawman argument to say that pro lifers here would not want a woman to have her life saved. But more importantly she did not even need an abortion - she needed treatment which very well may have included an induced labor with every effort to save both her life and the life of her living human baby.

Why did she receive no treatment?

We can look at the Ministry for Health which sets a nationwide policy for all of Ireland (both the 80% public healthcare and the 20% private healthcare). Since the hospital said that they had no choice it is clear that there was a policy decision requiring what could or could not be done. This is the main problem with centralized government planning. One size fits all rules just don't work. Here in the US we have similar stories - like the man who was refused coverage for breast cancer because he was a man.

If Ireland had had a more diverse, less centralized system, without over-arching rules mandated from above the woman would have just gone to a different hospital in the crazy event (that's what this is) that one hospital made a bad decision.

Are you joking? Do you realize that Ireland has a SMALLER superficy of land than SOUTH CAROLINA, and has just about the same population?

Why would they need "less centralized government? And all this time I thought you were pretending to be ANTI big government. . . But I guess that's only when it suits you, right?

Mod edit: No personal attacks, please!

I posted the LAW of Ireland regarding abortion. They basically have what you, hypocrits, would LOVE to see in THIS Country. . .or do you think the abortion laws should not only by the STATE, but by Counties. . .Districts maybe?

Mod edit: No personal attacks, please!

 

[Openmind]

kinda demistrates how other countries seem to have "better" healthcare per buck. taking that baby early would be more ecpensive and ruled out.

This comment is another sick comment!

Again, as with so many of your comments, it is difficult to figure out if such sick commentary is just an indication of the depth of your ignorance, or the depth of your nastiness!

NO FETUS EVER has survived outside the womb, even in an incubator, even with all the sickening "experiments" ran on those poor little creatures, before a NORMAL gestation period of AT LEAST 21 weeks. . . And even then, there are only a couple who have survived, and the likelihood of their surviving and thriving through their early childhood is almost nul.

This woman wanted her baby, and she began to miscarry when the fetus was 17 weeks. That is a FULL MONTH before the fetus, EVEN IF it had been healthy, could have survived by ANY MEANS outside the womb.

Mod edit: No personal attacks, please!

 

[Openmind]

That is spin.

She was not given any treatment at all and she should have been. if she had been treated even in a country where an abortion would not have been allowed she would still be alive.

And yes doctors who kill living humans should face trial. But they never needed to worry about that since they could have given her other treatments and they failed.

The ONLY treatment that could have saved her life was to proceed with the abortion as soon as the doctors knew that the fetus was not viable.

I am certain that, if they KEPT HER in the hospital, they obviously were performing care to keep her strength. what other treatment do you think she should have required that didn't involve getting rid of the CAUSE of the infection FIRST?

 

[Openmind]

why am reminded of the Black Knight scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail ?

Because you spend most of your time in a world of fantazy?

 

[Openmind]

Actually that last part is wrong. Not the thousands killed for the sole reason of not being wanted. Its millions...

Are you saying that there are MILLIONS of late term abortions practice in the US under that law that are not medically necessary?

Are you REALLY that delusional and obsessed with your own guilt?

 

[dogtowner]

Because you spend most of your time in a world of fantazy?

your gotcha post get discredited immediatly am I'm in a world of fantasy ? yeah, right.

 

[Pandora]

Are you saying that there are MILLIONS of late term abortions practice in the US under that law that are not medically necessary?

Are you REALLY that delusional and obsessed with your own guilt?

Thousands of babies have been killed that would have easily lived outside the womb. Now that Tiller the baby killer is dead, less babies are killed in late term partial birth abortions. Others do it but not in the numbers that Tiller did.


When I said millions, I mean babies killed in general at all stages for the sole reason of not being wanted.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

I love all the heart-rending stories of "medically necessary" abortions--when every living soul in the USA knows that fully 99.999% of them are just because some woman "broke up" with a guy and doesn't want "his" baby anymore--or just the by-product of a society that values "screwing rights" far, far, far more than what they croon about all the time--HUMAN RIGHTS.

The hypocrisy could be cut with a surgeon's knife.

 

[Dr.Who]

kinda demistrates how other countries seem to have "better" healthcare per buck. taking that baby early would be more ecpensive and ruled out.

It is true that in some countries babies that are aborted or even die before a certain age are not counted in mortality stats.

But while that may add to the cost difference I think the largest factor is that we are sicker so it cost more just to keep us alive. Considering how fat, lazy, and stuffed full of junk and smoke we are our doctors are doing a great job. Our mortality rates should be much worse than they are. As it is our cancer and heart attack survival rates are great compared to other countries. In fact, IF you are going to be sick and need treatment this is the BEST place to be. On the other hand if you want to not get sick in the first place and save lots of money then go to some other country.

 

[Dr.Who]

This comment is another sick comment!

Again, as with so many of your comments, it is difficult to figure out if such sick commentary is just an indication of the depth of your ignorance, or the depth of your nastiness!

NO FETUS EVER has survived outside the womb, even in an incubator, even with all the sickening "experiments" ran on those poor little creatures, before a NORMAL gestation period of AT LEAST 21 weeks. . . And even then, there are only a couple who have survived, and the likelihood of their surviving and thriving through their early childhood is almost nul.

This woman wanted her baby, and she began to miscarry when the fetus was 17 weeks. That is a FULL MONTH before the fetus, EVEN IF it had been healthy, could have survived by ANY MEANS outside the womb.

Obviously, it was NOT a question of MONEY, cold hearted MORON.

And your disgusting habit of politicizing EVERYTHING in an attempt to make yourself look smart makes you look as dumb as a bag of rock and as cold and nasty as a sewer line!

On the other hand I believe strongly in defending others. Reporting this post, as I just did, was the right and noble thing to do.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

On the other hand I believe strongly in defending others. Reporting this post, as I just did, was the right and noble thing to do.

Again, as with so many of your comments, it is difficult to figure out if such sick commentary is just an indication of the depth of your ignorance, or the depth of your nastiness!

Ever notice--with the left--EVERYONE ELSE is:

Ignorant
Stupid
Uneducated

And their following is--the completely idiotic societal trash that never graduates from high school
& could not even pay their own bills--ever-- in their entire lives.

Curious point of view.

 

[Dr.Who]

Again, as with so many of your comments, it is difficult to figure out if such sick commentary is just an indication of the depth of your ignorance, or the depth of your nastiness!

Ever notice--with the left--EVERYONE ELSE is:

Ignorant
Stupid
Uneducated

And their following is--the completely idiotic societal trash that never graduates from high school
& could not even pay their own bills--ever-- in their entire lives.

Curious point of view.

We have had members on this site who were liberal and did not engage in the generalization you claim for them. I would like to see a number of such liberals join here again.