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A Deal With Iran

Discussion in 'Middle Eastern Politics' started by BigRob, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    Wrong and wrong.
     
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    Your so silly..
     
  3. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    That is a fair point - but what is being leaked is not being denied by the White House. I'd put a bet on most of the leak claims being fairly accurate.
     
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    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    If Iran ultimately wants a bomb they will get a bomb. We must ensure that such a path is incredibly painful for them and make it as difficult as possible.
     
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    Creepy.
     
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    Iran like every other nation might get a atomic bomb one day. But even if it did how could it compete with the thousands of bombs owned by other nations.
     
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    @Aus22 Logically, you are right. And if a leader thinks logically, he won't use the atomic bomb.
    The main problem is, that some leaders are simply crazy and some leaders will overreact in stress situations.
     
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    It's not that a nuclear Iran would aim to "compete" with the United States persay - its that they would have far more leverage "compete" with countries like Egyp, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey - upsetting the balance in the Middle East. Already we see comments by Egyptians and the Saudis they will reevaluate their own nuclear program should Iran obtain a weapon.

    A nuclear armed Iran just throws gas on the fire of an already volatile region - something that should be avoided.
     
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    Some interesting commentary - we shall see what comes by June 30th, but there appears to be some quite serious unanswered questions in the framework that has been put out. It is also interesting on the sanctions front that we assert sanctions would "snap back" if Iran is found in violation - yet also establish a dispute resolution process - would sanctions "snap back" during a dispute or would it just drag on and leave sanctions in limbo?

    From the story below:
    "The Iranian text opens by insisting that it has absolutely no “legal aspect” and is intended only as “a guideline for drafting future accords.

    The American text claims that Iran has agreed to do this or that, for example reducing the number of centrifuges from 19,000 to 6,500.

    The American statement claims that Iran has agreed not to use advanced centrifuges, each of which could do the work of 10 old ones. The Iranian text, however, insists that “on the basis of solutions found, work on advanced centrifuges shall continue on the basis of a 10-year plan.

    The American text claims that Iran has agreed to dismantle the core of the heavy water plutonium plant in Arak. The Iranian text says the opposite. The plant shall remain and be updated and modernized.

    In the past two days Kerry and Obama and their apologists have been all over the place claiming that the Iranian nuclear project and its military-industrial offshoots would be put under a kind of international tutelage for 10, 15 or even 25 years.

    However, the Persian, Italian and French texts contain no such figures.
    The US talks of sanctions “ relief” while Iran claims the sanctions would be “immediately terminated.”

    Maybe this is all just both sides saving face and claiming victory to try to come to some agreement by the end of June? So far details still seem contradictory. If a deal is to be done this issues must get worked out and both sides need to be on the same page.


    http://nypost.com/2015/04/04/translated-version-of-iran-deal-doesnt-say-what-obama-claims-it-does/
     
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    No country has used the atomic bomb since 1945. Tis includes USA, Britain, France, china, Pakistan. Why would Iran be any different?
     
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    I was wondering why both sides were so happy with the agreement.
    What a mess. I am waiting to see the news in the next few days with an explanation from the administration why there is such a disconnect.
    Maybe the Arabic translator for Kerry's team was playing a little prank on the US. :)
     
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    Competition is the last thing involved. Its really only the first that matters.
     
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    but that is also the same thing Republicans said about China with a nuke...they where to crazy to negotiate ...We like to think of Iran as this Crazy naion with suicidal leaders...but they are very rational..evrything they do it pretty well thought out. WE just don't agree so we like to think they are crazy...that or we don't care to understand.
     
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    Because both sides where getting something they wanted?Iran getting some more security and end to sanctions that are hurting them pretty bad..we get nuke deal that we wanted....all they lose is something they don't realy need or have and we are no hurt by them having a economy. Israel wants war, and wants security agreements that have nothing to do with Nukes...and basically want Iran to bow to them before they would be happy...not realistic
     
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    what may help you there is to maybe post why.....
     
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