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4.5 milion lose company health ins in 18 months

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  1. Openmind Well-Known Member

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    What you were questionning was wether or not the increase in health care cost was larger in the US as it is in other developed countries, especially those offering (most do) universal health care. . .

    Now. . . you shift the focus, because you have nothing to answer.

    BS!!!! ;):D:D
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    you imbedded a graphic, that is not a link. a link provides information related to the graphic.

    as to your other post, please re-read my post and your response, there were two separate link requests. the second pertained to the lower cost of obamacare insurance. there is no point in trying to respond as nobody knows what it will cost or what it will cover as those things are yet to be determined.
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    No. A link provide the name of the resources that is being provided. . .which I did, I told you it was Wikepedia.

    And I answered your SECOND "link" question in a separate (but directly following) post. In fact, a very interesting link. . .which determine the impact of our system of always increasing private insurance premium on industry, versus what other developed countries benefit from.

    But, just in case you may not have noticed. . .you are contradicting yourself. If you think that "nobody knows what it will cost or what it will cover as those things are yet to be determined," how do YOU know it will be more expensive or detrimental to business?

    By the way, the part that have ALREADY been implemented (like, the right to young people to stay on their parents' policy until the age of 26) have already (as your Gallup link stated) provided a benefit: more 18 to 26 people with insurance!
  4. dogtowner Super Moderator

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    so no link, ok

    as I said, best re-read your stuff.

    whatever they come up with will be more expensive as the government has demonstrated itself incapable of efficiency, look at the massive overhead already in place where nothing is being provided.
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    Apparently you do not consider Wikepedia a link. . .or you are unable to find it?
    Well, let me help you: I'm just glad you recognize your limitations! :)

    here is a new link first. . .with a new chart:

    Attached Files:

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    Now, for the previous link:

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    a chart is meaningless in and of itself and there is no link just a partial URL.
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    I provided the wikepedia link, including the title of the wikepedia article (twice). A chart is meaningful to anyone who knows how to read it. . .

    I'm sorry if it is beyond your ability.

    You obviously are trolling. I'm done with this. I am certain that IF there is anyone left in this forum that care for reality and facts, and IF they are interested in this subject, THEY will be able to get to the link.

    By the way. . .I believe that trolling is against the rules of this forum?
  9. dogtowner Super Moderator

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    a chart is only meaningful if you know the nature of the data it represents. some of us are not content with pictures alone. pictures stopped being enough once I learned to read.

    I tried to explain to you how to provide a link. perhaps you should ask for help in the suggestions forum. maybe someone else can explain it in words you understand.

    perhaps they can explain trolling to you as well.
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    I am VERY familiar with trolling. . .especially since I started posting on this forum.

    Purposefully trying to bait people into getting frustrated or angry by posting hate comments and belittleling a person is a very effective form of trolling, which (if successful) trigger someone's anger to the point that insults results that lead to banning.

    If I can find a link, and I never pretended to be a computer wizard, I would think that anyone can successfully complete a search, if they are given the exact source and the title of the article by that source. The "data represented in the chart" is clearly indicated on both the Y and the X axis. I would assume that a "wizard" such as you would have no problem figuring that out. Legends provide the rest of the information necessary.

    What do you need? Little flags instead of the name of the countries?

    You are trolling, and you are demonstrating very bad will.

    I am done with you.
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    Walmart is on the ropes right now, the 99 cent stores are kicking their butt. Cost cutting is all this is. The real test for the health plan is when it comes time to fund it, if the job situation doesn't turn around the revenue will not be enough. We need the infrastructure stimulus.
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    the anything for a buck stores compete only in a limit4ed way but certainly Walmart is challenged every single day. no question that the dismal jobs situation makes everything difficult. you can't tax people enough to pay for obamacare on top of everything else. the government needs to get serious on facilitating job growth but we've seen how pointless stimulus is so lets just do what we know will work.
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    hmmm so asking for a link to validate a point is trolling... ok

    perhaps this explanation will help. you may be "done" with me but I'm hardly the only poster in cyberspace who request links. its as normal a thing as there is.
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    Asking for a link 5 times when the source of the information was provided with the information in the first post is trolling.

    Highlighting typos in red repeatedly to trigger a negative reaction is trolling.

    And repeatedly posting irrelevent comments to a thread is non-constructive, disrespectful to all posters, and destructive to this forum.
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    you are aware that you yourself have requested links are you not ?
    its normal and customary and not my job to prove your point.

    you are aware that you yourself noted rather rudely my typing are you not ?
    I realize that I foul up typing and so do not make a point of pointing this out in others. lets just note the origin of the matter here.

    as to the rest, again, the advice about glass houses would directly apply here.
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    Yes, when provided with information that doesn't provide a source, and seems "biased," I usually request a link. . .ONCE (and I am not usually successful in getting that link!)

    I provided you with the sources, then the link 5 times.

    I made ONE comment regarding the mistake in the name (repeated mistake, by several people in this forum) of a "SOURCE."

    I have never harrassed you for your typos or spelling mistakes.

    Glass house? Sure, I am certainly the one who tend to troll! :rolleyes::)
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    You and I know proving a negative is pointless, the Obama stimulus saved millions of jobs and created many more. Had the states not used all the stimulus money to balance their budgets instead of infrastructure more revenue would be coming in. As you know, we don't look at the Obama health plan as a tax, but as a replacement for exploding health care costs, an issue the GOP refuses to address realistically. After watching the 60 min report on Congressional insider trading I can see why nothing gets done on both sides, most are a bunch of crooks and the various lobbies write the legislation and you and those like you just drink the koolaid.
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    Diverting funds is the norm, do you really think that will change ?

    Saved jobs ? No, postponed govt union job loss for a while. Without the tax base to support it, those jobs gone. Have to have tax payers, not tax users.

    Obamacare is more bureaucracy to do whats already available.

    You are correct that DC looks sout for its own very well.
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    CBO chief on stimulus spending...


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    Oh, you think that govrnment employees and union members in general don't pay tax, and that when they lose their job they don't go on unemployment, or welfare, don't contribute to the increase in bancrupcy, and that their decreased bying power does not affect the economy negatively?

    another short sighted and narrow minded statement! :rolleyes::D

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