Can we agree that someone from UPS called the authorities after a package holding some number and types of firearms was opened? Whatever was seen by that person concerned them enough to make the call. Most likely because it was potentially illegal in some way. It is not legal for someone to recieve shipment of a firearm(s). It can only be delivered through an FFL dealer. For instance it would be illegal for me to ship a gun to you personally unless you possess an FFL license. My understanding is that the package in question was a crate, not really declared as firearms. Of which there were quite a few guns of the assault rifle family. Our current government policies wouldnt require a warrant at all to undertake the same actions. And it would allow the military to partake.
Oh give us all a break on the "good for target practice stuff", you wouldnt buy that garbage if someone said it about an American soldier in Iraq.
They were a religious group. I dont think anyone cares what was going on for the most part, until of course it comes to having a box full of guns and grenades break open, probably in violation of federal law...Enough to alarm a UPS delivery man to make a call. Enough to have a magistrate issue a warrant. Its not illegal to be a member of a cult. It is illegal, of course to violate federal law.
That list of weapons is proof that they were justified in getting that warrant. Of course they didnt know what was in there prior to conducting the raid, that is why they conducted it. They had probable cause, that later turned out to be very true, which was that they were heavily armed.
OK, lets pick him up on the street. Then what? Did you expect for him to be toting around his M-16A-1 while checking the mail? Surely you can be objective enough to see they had to search the compound. Bringing Koresh down to the station doesnt resolve a thing.
As for who fired first. I dont know. But lets even assume it was the cops who fired first. The davidians participated in a firefight with law enforcement. Something would have caused the ATF to fire. If you point a gun at someone, especially a cop, you have shown by your actions a willingness to employ deadly force. Thereby making it justifable for someone to take similar actions to defend themselves.
Bill Clinton this Janet Reno that...
Why even mention Mexico? Or Elian Gonzalez in the first place, to get some totally irrelevant dig into Clinton. But hey, Mexico, Clinton didnt do anything, Niether did Reagan, or Bush 41,43. So why mention him?
As for Elian, the mother took her son out of the country without permission or knowledge of the father. If someone did that in America, it would be called kidnapping.
So it is alright for someone to come to America from Cuba "wishing for a better life", but not ok if they are from Mexico? hmmmm thanks for that clarification.
You see Lib, you have no consistency when it comes to being so anti-liberal. You blame the libs for stuff that every does, and often times is even worse at.
In both of those cases, those people were given fair warning. They had ample opportunity to follow the demands of law enforcement. In both cases, an amazing amount of restraint was shown on thier parts, I think to thier own detriment.
Waco is a tragedy no doubt. There is plenty of blame to go around. But those people had 51 days to come out with thier hands up. I am appalled the parents there would subject thier children to those horrors.
