This is not the right time to attack Syria

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Im with the GOP on this one. Why hasn't Putin made a threat warn Obama on attacking Syria. The Russians and Chinese seem don't care about Syria. If I was the Russian president id warn Obama and tell him hes playing with fire. You know what happens when you play with fire? You get burnt! Id put 8 subs on those U.S Carriers if the U.S fires one missile Russians launch torpedoes to sink those ships.
 
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if there are surface ships there subs are too. vlad cant do anything more that mock obama and hes doing that pretty well already. russia carea about syria in the sense that they are good customers anda thorn in our side.
 
Steve...Russia has warned Obama about going into Syria. He even called us (Obama) a monkey with a grenade.
 
Steve...Russia has warned Obama about going into Syria. He even called us (Obama) a monkey with a grenade.
no wonder steve is a vlad fan... I have to wonder what vlad can threaten BO with. Like I said hes having great fun casting aspersians. thats probably enough.
 
Im Not a fan of Putin. Obama is weak,Hes no Reagan or JFK. The Russians were scared shit of JFK and Reagan. Russians are pussies! Who bailed them out from the Nazis in WWII? AMERICA DID! Hell American even bailed China from the Japanese army in WWII. America even freed the French from Hitler in WWII And America bailed the Brits out in WWI. These nations turn against us which we helped them out. I say stop helping nations in trouble. If you cant beat those rogue dictators then ether fight or live with the system. Look IRAQ and Afgainstain are starting to turn against us which we threw out the Taliban and Saddam.
 
So when is a good time, I mean hell its just national security and use of WND on civilians...Let just try to find a good time to pencil it in. Is january good for you?

There is no good time...there is a Least bad time. Thats it.
World Net Daily ? hmmmm..... Are you suggesting Syria is a threat the US or its treaty allies ? Dont think you can make a case for that one. Best take the timing deal up with your boy in the oval office, hes the one who says it doesnt matter. Shit gets out of hand when you lead from behind (a wall of incompetance). But you and your kind thought he was a better choice as president so really you have knly yourself to blame for all those dead Syrians. Maybe thats why you seem so angry all the time. You know its your fault...
 
World Net Daily ? hmmmm..... Are you suggesting Syria is a threat the US or its treaty allies ? Dont think you can make a case for that one. Best take the timing deal up with your boy in the oval office, hes the one who says it doesnt matter. Shit gets out of hand when you lead from behind (a wall of incompetance). But you and your kind thought he was a better choice as president so really you have knly yourself to blame for all those dead Syrians. Maybe thats why you seem so angry all the time. You know its your fault...

Im sorry what about Republicans and Iraq? I was talking about a nation using wmd, not one you pretended had them. But don't worry you just let us know when a good time is to prevent a dictator from gassing his own people...Your Freind Reagan never had a issue with it, and armed the ones doing it...so I undertand if you want to pretend its no big deal.
 
Im sorry what about Republicans and Iraq? I was talking about a nation using wmd, not one you pretended had them. But don't worry you just let us know when a good time is to prevent a dictator from gassing his own people...Your Freind Reagan never had a issue with it, and armed the ones doing it...so I undertand if you want to pretend its no big deal.
Again .... it's not that it's not a big deal that they are doing it ..... the US has no justification for entering this conflict .... just as you have not pointed out a justification other than blindly following your messiah, who is clearly going it alone on this one.

Assad's weapons do not pose a clear and present danger to the US. Those weapons will pose a threat to Israel if they fall into the hands of the al Queda rebels. That could upset the balance of the entire Middle East and possibly even spark an international crisis.
 
Im sorry what about Republicans and Iraq? I was talking about a nation using wmd, not one you pretended had them. But don't worry you just let us know when a good time is to prevent a dictator from gassing his own people...Your Freind Reagan never had a issue with it, and armed the ones doing it...so I undertand if you want to pretend its no big deal.
Iraq had the 4th strongest military on the planet and capability and cause to hit our NATA ally so that one is apples and refrigerators. And you still wish to deny that there wede serin shells in Iraq ? Its a big enough deal to the civilians but that doesnt make it a national security interest. Ylu know, like what it has to be for us to get involved. Feel as bad for the dead as you please but leave off the fabricated silly excuses.
 
So when is a good time, I mean hell its just national security and use of WND on civilians...Let just try to find a good time to pencil it in. Is january good for you?

There is no good time...there is a Least bad time. Thats it.
I don't know.. when is a good time? Please stop acting like you care about the Syrians.. your only concern is that Mr. Obama looks bad, real bad.. Obama hasn’t just failed to articulate a cause for action,( other than his mouth overloaded his butt) he hasn’t even bothered to explain what might constitute victory in Syria. The inherent risks are compounded massively by regional and global politics involving Iran, Jordan, Russia, Israel, and European countries.

The U.S. doesn’t even have a clear sense of who the Syrian rebels are and what their agenda is.

For god’s sake, if the past dozen years have taught us anything about foreign policy, it’s that military interventions shouldn’t be done in a half-assed fashion, without clear and widely shared goals.

If the Obama administration can’t be bothered to articulate why we should fight, who we’re helping, and how we would know that we succeeded, it’s got no business getting involved in Syria.
Why should weapons that have at most killed a tiny fraction of people in a war be a trigger for action? Because our President said so...OKEE DOKEE
 
By Peter Suderman

1. If the rebels win, it’s bad news for the U.S. Assad is no friend to the U.S. But neither are the rebel groups leading the charge against the Syrian dictator. Indeed, many of the rebel factions have strong ties to Al-Qeada. If the rebels successfully oust Assad, it’s entirely possible that they will attempt to set up a new regime that is intensely hostile to the United States. Intervention on the side of the rebels would also complicate America's already-fraught relationship with Russia, which is close with the Assad regime.

2. If Assad wins, it’s bad news for the U.S. Especially if the U.S. is seen to have openly sided with the rebels. A win for Assad is a win for anti-American forces Iran, which would see its influence in the region strengthened. It’s also a win for Hezbollah, which is closely linked with Iranian extremists. With no good option, then, the U.S. is better off staying out of the conflict entirely.

3. It’s far from certain that any "limited" actions would actually be effective. Most of the talk right now revolves around the possibility of limited cruise missile strikes and/or no-fly zone enforcement. But as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey told NPR last month, the possible results of enforcing a no-fly zone could "include the loss of U.S. aircraft, which would require us to insert personnel recovery forces. It may also fail to reduce the violence or shift the momentum because the regime relies overwhelmingly on surface fires -- mortars, artillery, and missiles." The same goes for targeted strikes. Here’s how Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies explained it to the L.A. Times: “Can you do damage with cruise missiles? Yes,” he said. “Can you stop them from having chemical weapons capability? I would think the answer would be no. Should you limit yourself to just a kind of incremental retaliation? That doesn’t serve any strategic purpose. It doesn’t protect the Syrian people, it doesn’t push Assad out.”

4. It’s hard to keep limited actions limited. As Chairman Dempsey further cautioned, "Once we take action, we should be prepared for what comes next. Deeper involvement is hard to avoid." And then what?

credit: PanARMENIAN_Photo / Foter / CC BY-NC-NDcredit: PanARMENIAN_Photo / Foter / CC BY-NC-ND5. There’s no endgame. Not in Syria, where there seems to be no plan beyond a limited initial strike. And not in the region or the world, where the U.S. would be all but committing itself to opposing, through military force, chemical weapons regimes across the world. The problem is that there's no clearly stated long-term objective — perhaps because no obvious long-term objective is achievable. Given that strikes are unlikely to completely eliminate Assad's chemical weapons capabilities or end Assad's capacity to slaughter through more conventional means, it's not clear what they would be for. Which means there would almost certainly be pressure to give them meaning by increasing America's commitment to the conflict.

6. The chemical weapons “red line” was already crossed. Roughly a year ago, President Obama said that the use of chemical weapons by Assad against his own people would constitute a “red line” that would change how the White House views the Syrian conflict. Talk of strikes has increased following reports of a chemical weapons attack in Damascus last week said to have killed hundreds. But American officials already believe that Assad has used chemical weapons on a somewhat smaller scale over the past year. The latest attack appears to be larger than previous chemical strikes, but that's a murky distinction. The red line, in other words, looks more like a gray area.

7. It won’t be easy. Reliable GOP hawk John McCain has said that strikes could be carried out “easily” and “would not put a single [American] life at risk.” Moreover, he said, a strikes could be carried out in just a couple of days. But the big lesson of so many U.S. military interventions is that they are rarely as easy, quick, or costless as backers promise. As George Friedman of the global intelligence firm Statfor wrote recently, “Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya have driven home the principle that deposing one regime means living with an imperfect successor. In those cases, changing the regime wound up rapidly entangling the United States in civil wars, the outcomes of which have not been worth the price.”

8. The public opposes military intervention by a wide margin—even if chemical weapons have been used. The American public has grown tired of war, and doesn’t want to get embroiled in yet another complex civil conflict. According to a Reuters poll released over the weekend, some 60 percent of the public opposes military intervention in Syria’s civil war, while just 9 percent support it. Support for intervention is still extremely low if it’s established that Syria used chemical weapons, with just 25 percent saying they would support action of Assad used chemical weapons on civilians.
 
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