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I haven't seen anything from you to support your "uncorroborated" opinion while I provided at least some sources indicating it may not be valid. I can certainly look for more but why go to the effort until I see something from you?

Good point.

No, I don't think selfawareness is the only thing - it's part of what makes a person. Having a functioning brain - with brainwaves is part of it. Are we people if we don't have brains? Consciousness is a function of the brain. If we don't have a brain - what makes us special, or any different then any other animal?

You put forth the mirror test as if it were a given. I merely pointed out that it isn't.

No - I am saying consciousness is one of several the attributes that makes one a person. I considered it the most important one but you bring up the point of very young infants having no self awareness so I must rethink this.

However, I have not yet seen anything that convinces me a blastocyst is a "person".

<blockquote data-quote="Coyote" data-source="post: 11842" data-attributes="member: 314">I haven&#039;t seen anything from you to support your &quot;uncorroborated&quot; opinion while I provided at least some sources indicating it may not be valid.&nbsp; I can certainly look for more but why go to the effort until I see something from you?Good point.&nbsp; No, I don&#039;t think selfawareness is the only thing - it&#039;s part of what makes a person.&nbsp; Having a functioning brain - with brainwaves is part of it.&nbsp; Are we people if we don&#039;t have brains?&nbsp; Consciousness is a function of the brain.&nbsp; If we don&#039;t have a brain - what makes us special, or any different then any other animal?You put forth the mirror test as if it were a given.&nbsp; I merely pointed out that it isn&#039;t.No - I am saying consciousness is one of several the attributes that makes one a person.&nbsp; I considered it the most important one but you bring up the point of very young infants having no self awareness so I must rethink this.However, I have not yet seen anything that convinces me a blastocyst is a &quot;person&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coyote, post: 11842, member: 314"] I haven't seen anything from you to support your "uncorroborated" opinion while I provided at least some sources indicating it may not be valid. I can certainly look for more but why go to the effort until I see something from you? Good point. No, I don't think selfawareness is the only thing - it's part of what makes a person. Having a functioning brain - with brainwaves is part of it. Are we people if we don't have brains? Consciousness is a function of the brain. If we don't have a brain - what makes us special, or any different then any other animal? You put forth the mirror test as if it were a given. I merely pointed out that it isn't. No - I am saying consciousness is one of several the attributes that makes one a person. I considered it the most important one but you bring up the point of very young infants having no self awareness so I must rethink this. However, I have not yet seen anything that convinces me a blastocyst is a "person". [/QUOTE]

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